Race conservative or risk take?
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Race conservative or risk take?
Postby Derny Driver » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:12 pm
photo courtesy Mark Gunter
Following on from the Crit racing thread, I have been thinking along the lines of what makes for an attacking mindset in a cycle racer. Fortune usually favours the brave in bike racing and I was wondering why some people will take a risk to try something in a race, and others won’t. Statistically there seems to be a huge number of older guys who have taken up the sport later in life who weren’t cycle racers as kids or teenagers. Part of the fallout from this is the possibility that there is a huge number of people who have spent their risk taking years of youth in other sports, and now enter the cycling game with a more cautionary and sensible approach – which in bike racing is a bad thing.
Young guys are full of bravado and naturally take risks and they do this when they race as well. This is a great photo of a young guy in last Saturday’s Melbourne to Warrnambool. At 270km in length most guys were sensible and conserved their legs, but here we have a kid who is 18, in a small development team in his first Warny, not afraid to get in the first break that goes up the road, not afraid to pull big turns with seasoned NRS veterans, and not afraid to attack them and take all the KOMs along the way. At the finish he was on the podium 3 times, picked up sprint and KOM jerseys and made a name for himself. You’ve gotta admire that.
Sure this kid is a decent rider, I took his brother on an overseas tour in 2009 and he came back and got some great results all over Australia in the next 2-3 years. I think he was 19 or 20 at the time, I remember he asked me on the first day how to say “Attack” in French. That was the only word he needed to know. Similarly, my son is 18 and I told him the other day to keep an eye on a certain rider in a race who is a multiple Australian champion, he replied “Im not worried about him, I can beat him”. I had to bite my tongue because I didn’t share the same opinion but I didn’t say anything, because self-confidence and ego is a great asset in bike racing, and these young guys have got confidence to burn.
Aggression and a positive mindset is important in cycling. Shrinking violets rarely win races. Sitting back doing nothing and hoping the stars and planets will line up for you is a poor strategy. I think as older riders we need to follow the example of the youngsters and not be afraid to have a dig in races. Stupid crazy moves should not be the sole domain of the kids, there is no reason why older folk cant get ridiculous too. Who knows what might happen as a result!
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby toolonglegs » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:53 pm
My 10 year old son gives me a good old talking to if I say I can't win today " Daddy, you will never win saying that! " ( in French of course ) . He dragged me out in pouring cold rain yesterday ... Also reminding me that I always say " it's only water "
Good to think like a kid sometimes!
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby ft_critical » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:59 pm
Don’t think, attack.
Watch the great riders. They don’t attack once, they attack 10 times. They never give up.
Find races you don’t care about and attack.
Don’t follow wheels, be wheels to follow.
Play the long game. Friel said it takes 7 years for you to become a cyclist. Year one is the first time you take out a full year licence and race it. Always be the apprentice.
Be humble. Get dropped, fail, its okay.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby thelittlebattler » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:10 pm
6 years until I become one then... Giddy-up break away on Saturday!!!ft_critical wrote:Friel said it takes 7 years for you to become a cyclist.
I only attacked on my own in a race for the first time last week, and it was the best feeling! Before then I was just trying to follow moves that looked like sticking.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby dalai47 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:32 pm
I do plenty of 1 but try and avoid 2. As I've discovered personally this year that it takes an older bloke longer to recover from crashes (In my case plated collarbone caused by stupid move by another rider). It comes down to racing is just a hobby I enjoy; we aren't racing for sheep stations and at the end of the day I have others depending on me to be able to go to work on Monday!
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby thelittlebattler » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:19 pm
Hmmm, option 1 sounds even better as it will probably mean less people around to stuff you up with option 2. Yep, I reckon I'd make a good Cofidis/Netapp/etc. rider with a token breakaway every race. (and little hope of making it to the finish first)
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby dalai47 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:06 pm
I've used that before in the past and was about to when the guy in front of me steered hard onto the duckboard and went down right in front of me...thelittlebattler wrote:Hmmm, option 1 sounds even better as it will probably mean less people around to stuff you up with option 2.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby KGB » Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:25 pm
I've often watched certain people who do the same thing every time - sit in and wait for the sprint. Sure they do pretty well on paper but they aren't good "racers". I'd rather get blown away in the sprint and roll across the line shattered from a hard, aggressive race than arrive fresh as a daisy after a boring race.
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Postby GAV!N » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:18 am
The sun is out, I'm on leave, my mum is coming to baby sit the kids for a few hours. I'm going for a RIDE!
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Postby nailsaslegs » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:20 am
I get what my wife calls Race Rage, I see a gap, a moment of lapse from the other riders and boom I'll attack. I've made attacks which were never going to work as well. Pick your situation, where the finish is, how the race is unfolding, the wind, road surface, and then attack. I think you can learn when and where to attack. Like everything in racing it's a learning experience.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby dalai47 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:19 am
First TT I rode with power it was my slowest time over that course over the years. Now I use it in TT's only as a carrot to up my wattage in case my power drops below a certain figure rather then cap the top end.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby nailsaslegs » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:07 pm
Yeah I completely messed it up. My own fault. I leant a lesson though. That's racing, you can always learn....dalai47 wrote:2.1k TT? Should have used RPE and not to power for what amounted to a short Individual Pursuit...
First TT I rode with power it was my slowest time over that course over the years. Now I use it in TT's only as a carrot to up my wattage in case my power drops below a certain figure rather then cap the top end.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby Crawf » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:29 pm
I'll never let some sit-in, unfit 20sec sprint hero get to the line before I do without ripping their legs off before hand, they'll have to earn it.
It all go's in the pain training bank.
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Re: Race conservative or risk take?
Postby ironhanglider » Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:19 pm
Did you make the last 15min hard for them or for you?nailsaslegs wrote:I really hate people that sit in all race - raced a crit earlier this season, two riders sat on the entire 35mins, didn't take a turn I slowed down to a stop and track stand and still they didn't do a turn, so I made the last 15mins as hard as I could came around the last corner and gave it as much as I had and got 3rd unlucky, 1st, 2nd and 3rd were only a wheel apart. They wondered why I'm not congratulating them for sitting on
You need to work on your skills of persuasion, bike handling or patience in order to encourage them to come through. Even though you say that you came to a stop, presumably they did too. Why did you then start moving again? Giving someone a 30min lead out is just asking them to beat you.
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