Moron Motorists #3

[human909]

Because a LOT of people have no freaking clue where the drivers side of the car is, let alone the FAR side of their car when they're in it!

Huh? It is easier to judge where the drivers side of the car is. If you are arguing that drivers can't tell where either side of their car is then that is an argument against ANY form of on road infrastructure.

This, coupled with the fact that a vast number of people appear to feel the need to swing right before they turn left means it's only a matter of time for the pictured example above to end badly...

I'm confused. You just seem to be arguing that some drivers drive badly. Yes that is true. But the alternative choice of having the bicycle lane on the left of a left turn lane is far worse for all the reasons you have already mentioned.

cycle lanes that position cyclists to avoid left hooks make plenty of sense to me - the problem is n't the cycling facility its the design element that allows and encourages relatively high speed driving through junctions added to speed limits that are too high and driven to as a -0/+5 target

Quite true. Lower speed limits on any road with on road cycling infrastructure is the ideal scenario and in line with good practice overseas.

[familyguy]

Because a LOT of people have no freaking clue where the drivers side of the car is, let alone the FAR side of their car when they're in it!

Huh? It is easier to judge where the drivers side of the car is. If you are arguing that drivers can't tell where either side of their car is then that is an argument against ANY form of on road infrastructure.

I know, you should be able to tell, right? It amazes me how many people seemingly cannot do this. There are a lot of idiots out there, separated is the way to go. This paint between vehicles is a disaster in waiting.

This, coupled with the fact that a vast number of people appear to feel the need to swing right before they turn left means it's only a matter of time for the pictured example above to end badly...

I'm confused. You just seem to be arguing that some drivers drive badly. Yes that is true. But the alternative choice of having the bicycle lane on the left of a left turn lane is far worse for all the reasons you have already mentioned.

The ideal choice is simple: don't f***ing squeeze a bike lane between two narrowed vehicular lanes. Do it right or forcefully educate everyone that they're gonna have to deal with bikes on the roads!

[human909]

The ideal choice is simple: don't f***ing squeeze a bike lane between two narrowed vehicular lanes.

Sorry which two narrowed vehicle lanes? In the picture being discussed the cycle lane and both lanes either side seem to be of more than adequate width.

Do it right or forcefully educate everyone that they're gonna have to deal with bikes on the roads!

I would argue that having a bicycle lane to the right of a left turn only lane IS doing it right.

It seems to me you are arguing that bikes should only be on the left side of the road. Quite a bizarre stance in my opinion.

[Howzat]

that's a typical Aus' left turn - swing right first

You swing right first in order to take the corner without hitting the brakes. Your arc will take you through the apogee of the bike lane, and you accelerate on leaving the curve. Advanced drivers throw a can out of the window at that point.

[familyguy]

Left turn lane is narrower than straight through lane. It is sh*t infra.

[human909]

Left turn lane is narrower than straight through lane. It is sh*t infra.

Are we looking at the same picture?


I haven't go my calibrated micrometer out but the left lane doesn't seem narrower. It is more than adequate it seems a decent 3m.

[familyguy]

The ideal choice is simple: don't f***ing squeeze a bike lane between two narrowed vehicular lanes.

Sorry which two narrowed vehicle lanes? In the picture being discussed the cycle lane and both lanes either side seem to be of more than adequate width.

Do it right or forcefully educate everyone that they're gonna have to deal with bikes on the roads!

I would argue that having a bicycle lane to the right of a left turn only lane IS doing it right.

It seems to me you are arguing that bikes should only be on the left side of the road. Quite a bizarre stance in my opinion.

I'll spell it out like this: that situation does not need a 'bike lane', rider should be using the vehicular lane adjacent, and the fact (and right to do so) that they are should be rammed home and enforced.

[human909]

I'll spell it out like this: that situation does not need a 'bike lane', rider should be using the vehicular lane adjacent,

A large proportion of riders are not at all comfortable with this. They would much rather a bike lane than to be riding in primary position in a lane. Most people don't even know what that means!

Having bike lane continuity is something that is recognised to be quite important to making people comfortable to ride bicycles on the road. Especially on higher speed roads like the one pictured (presumably). Yet here you are advocating removing that continuity.


Are we building cycling infrastructure for the 1% or the 99%? I'd argue that if we want safer roads we want to be building infrastructure suitable for the 99%. I am confident that most if not all of my female cycling friends ('indicator species') would be far more comfortable on the infrastructure as shown that a disappearing bike lane forcing cyclist to take the lane.

[human909]

Clearly there are differences of opinion on what constitutes appropriate, safe and suitable cycling infrastructure. I don't think me arguing things further is going to get us anywhere.

Two last points:
-Terrible and dangerous cycling infrastructure is worse than no infrastructure at all. I think most of us can agree with that.
-It is important to remember that as cycling enthusiasts are skills and confidence are greater than most. So what we find as unsuitable infrastructure isn't always unsuitable to others.



If you want more laughs:
http://wcc.crankfoot.xyz/facility-of-th ... ly2018.htm

[familyguy]

Fundamentally, not disagreeing.

[RobertL]

Video: Motorists force their way onto roads closed for RideLondon

https://road.cc/content/news/246151-vid ... ridelondon

Last weekend’s RideLondon route went past Kristian Sturt’s house. At about 6.15pm on the day of the ride, he heard swearing, shouting and beeping outside. Despite the road being closed, motorists decided they’d had enough of waiting and went through the barricade, arguing with the young marshal who tried to stop them.

Well next year I guess that they will close the road with more than just cones. Park a couple of trucks across the road, or police cars. That won't stop the motorists from whinging but it might help prevent the volunteer marshalls from being yelled at.

[mikesbytes]

Put these on each side of the bike lane and the cyclist can feel safe in the middle

[jasonc]

Put these on each side of the bike lane and the cyclist can feel safe in the middle

+1000000000000
Green paint protects nobody

[Az0r_au]

If you want more laughs:
http://wcc.crankfoot.xyz/facility-of-th ... ly2018.htm

These are fantastic

[PA]

If you want more laughs:
http://wcc.crankfoot.xyz/facility-of-th ... ly2018.htm

These are fantastic

What a stupid idea. Imagine you are riding in the lane when all of a sudden an iPod Zombie turns right to walk across the crossing. Now you task, if you choose to accept is to brake whilst crossing a diagonal painted line without dumping yourself on the road to be run over by the Double Decker bus following you.

[Az0r_au]

This one from NSW was my favourite I found

[recumbenteer]

Meanwhile, back in the Rocket.....

[mikesbytes]

This one from NSW was my favourite I found

I think this photo was taken by someone on this forum

[Thoglette]

White van idiot backs into group

A Sydney cyclist is appealing for information after he was struck by a van in an alleged hit-and-run on Friday morning.

Eddie Vining was training with a group of triathletes in Centennial Parklands around 7:00am, when a white van reversed out of a parking space and into a small number of cyclists.

The van hit Mr Vining, leaving with him a broken collarbone, ruptured ligaments and a deep cut on his forehead, before driving off.

[biker jk]

White van idiot backs into group

A Sydney cyclist is appealing for information after he was struck by a van in an alleged hit-and-run on Friday morning.

Eddie Vining was training with a group of triathletes in Centennial Parklands around 7:00am, when a white van reversed out of a parking space and into a small number of cyclists.

The van hit Mr Vining, leaving with him a broken collarbone, ruptured ligaments and a deep cut on his forehead, before driving off.

I saw an ambulance entering CP around 7.10am on Friday and suspected there was a cyclist down but it appears the rider had been picked up before I saw them. So any video from my rear camera won't capture anything, unfortunately.

[Laidlaym]

that's a typical Aus' left turn - swing right first

You swing right first in order to take the corner without hitting the brakes. Your arc will take you through the apogee of the bike lane, and you accelerate on leaving the curve. Advanced drivers throw a can out of the window at that point.

The technique was called a "Scandinavian Flick" in rallying, abbreviated to "scando". But that was more about unbalancing the car to get the rear wheels to lose traction which made it easier to get the back of the car around a tight corner, probably with the assistance of a hydraulic handbrake on the rear wheels.

Mark in Research

[Cyclophiliac]

White van idiot backs into group

A Sydney cyclist is appealing for information after he was struck by a van in an alleged hit-and-run on Friday morning.

Eddie Vining was training with a group of triathletes in Centennial Parklands around 7:00am, when a white van reversed out of a parking space and into a small number of cyclists.

The van hit Mr Vining, leaving with him a broken collarbone, ruptured ligaments and a deep cut on his forehead, before driving off.

The white van has yet to be identified

So it appears it was the car at fault again, and not its driver.

[PA]

This one from NSW was my favourite I found

I think this photo was taken by someone on this forum

I may have edited it a little.

[Usernoname]

There was a similar setup in my area for a while, Benowa SEQ. I was very tempted to do the second photo movement.

[rangersac]

Meanwhile, back in the Rocket.....

Jesus, I am impressed you didn't respond with a volley of choice epithets.