Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby BJL » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:04 pm
This is the Lilydale - Warburton rail trail in Mt Evelyn, Victoria. Legally, you have to dismount your bike and walk it across the road. Yet you can ride your bike across the next intersection on York Rd and the one following that, a pedestrian crossing on Monbulk Rd. But further on at Milgrove, you once again have to get off and walk your bike across. Only pointing this out because it happens all over the place on many shared paths. (And the first time I've tried posting an image on here)
P.S. What the hell is with the pedestrian button at light level? Didn't notice it until I looked at the photo
(Maybe they ordered extra buttons instead of bicycle lights)
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby Cyclophiliac » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:52 pm
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Postby trailgumby » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:32 pm
Tallbikes?BJL wrote:P.S. What the hell is with the pedestrian button at light level? Didn't notice it until I looked at the photo
(Maybe they ordered extra buttons instead of bicycle lights)
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Postby trailgumby » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:34 pm
Might need to change your privacy settings - not displaying for me gCyclophiliac wrote:I wish Australia had a few more of these, but unless our cycling culture changes beyond recognition, I can't see it occurring. I took this photo on the 6th, while in southern France (the Pyrenees):
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby human909 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:59 am
Horse riders!trailgumby wrote:Tallbikes?BJL wrote:P.S. What the hell is with the pedestrian button at light level? Didn't notice it until I looked at the photo
(Maybe they ordered extra buttons instead of bicycle lights)
(No, I'm not kidding that would be the actual reason. I've seen plenty on that trail.)
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby BJL » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:14 pm
Of course, that would be it. Just never noticed it before.human909 wrote:Horse riders!trailgumby wrote:Tallbikes?BJL wrote:P.S. What the hell is with the pedestrian button at light level? Didn't notice it until I looked at the photo
(Maybe they ordered extra buttons instead of bicycle lights)
(No, I'm not kidding that would be the actual reason. I've seen plenty on that trail.)
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby Cyclophiliac » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:31 pm
Sorry, I don't know why: I've used sites.google.com to host images for years, and never had a problem with others not seeing it. I sent you a PM, as I modified the URL slightly, so let me know if that worked for you.trailgumby wrote:Might need to change your privacy settings - not displaying for me gCyclophiliac wrote:I wish Australia had a few more of these, but unless our cycling culture changes beyond recognition, I can't see it occurring. I took this photo on the 6th, while in southern France (the Pyrenees):
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby stevenaaus » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:24 pm
That 1.5m sign is ok, but on Mt Tamborine they have these comical things with riders tipping their hats like clowns %(. It's not a joking matter - have a respectful sign or nothing.
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby coyote » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:09 pm
Do horse riders have to stop and clean up any mess that their horses make along the trail?human909 wrote:Horse riders!trailgumby wrote:Tallbikes?BJL wrote:P.S. What the hell is with the pedestrian button at light level? Didn't notice it until I looked at the photo
(Maybe they ordered extra buttons instead of bicycle lights)
(No, I'm not kidding that would be the actual reason. I've seen plenty on that trail.)
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Postby trailgumby » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:24 pm
Genrally, no.coyote wrote:Do horse riders have to stop and clean up any mess that their horses make along the trail?
It's one of the reasons I *never* use a drink bottle mount below the downtube.
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby Abby » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:14 pm
I think the point of those is that it catches people's attention as its a bit different - hence the message is more likely to be seen and digested...stevenaaus wrote:Yeah, shows ok for me.
That 1.5m sign is ok, but on Mt Tamborine they have these comical things with riders tipping their hats like clowns %(. It's not a joking matter - have a respectful sign or nothing.
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby BJL » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:11 pm
And while we're on the subject, do horse riders have to dismount and walk their horses across the crossing?coyote wrote:Do horse riders have to stop and clean up any mess that their horses make along the trail?human909 wrote:Horse riders!trailgumby wrote: Tallbikes?
(No, I'm not kidding that would be the actual reason. I've seen plenty on that trail.)
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby baabaa » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:46 pm
Even the most traffic tolerant horse can get badly spooked from the various noises that come from a modern vehicle so the rider could choose what is best that animal, walk or ride. Also doubt if I will ever own another horse but would prefer a much, much wider set of white lines if I was riding across in that spot.
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby antigee » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:49 pm
section on Box Hill to Ringwood Railtrail shared path - like the warning - hate the faux give way lines - what's that all about? My reading of the road rules is vehicles entering and exiting premises must give way when crossing the footpath - incidentally 20m away is a road with a raised crossing and give way to cyclists/peds signs for vehicles turning into the road
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Postby Arbuckle23 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:48 pm
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby Scott_C » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:43 pm
Your reading of the Road Rules is correct but the painted give-way lines may override the general requirement for vehicles to give way. I would be talking to the local council about both the path markings and the height and location of the fence as they are both subject to authorisation by the council and I don't believe the council is allowed to authorise line markings that contradict a road rule without VicRoads' permission.antigee wrote:IMG_20170624_155720 by Robert Jones, on Flickr
section on Box Hill to Ringwood Railtrail shared path - like the warning - hate the faux give way lines - what's that all about? My reading of the road rules is vehicles entering and exiting premises must give way when crossing the footpath - incidentally 20m away is a road with a raised crossing and give way to cyclists/peds signs for vehicles turning into the road
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby jasonc » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
That is private property. No way does that overule. They have painted those lines in hope. A word to the council will fix itScott_C wrote:Your reading of the Road Rules is correct but the painted give-way lines may override the general requirement for vehicles to give way. I would be talking to the local council about both the path markings and the height and location of the fence as they are both subject to authorisation by the council and I don't believe the council is allowed to authorise line markings that contradict a road rule without VicRoads' permission.antigee wrote:IMG_20170624_155720 by Robert Jones, on Flickr
section on Box Hill to Ringwood Railtrail shared path - like the warning - hate the faux give way lines - what's that all about? My reading of the road rules is vehicles entering and exiting premises must give way when crossing the footpath - incidentally 20m away is a road with a raised crossing and give way to cyclists/peds signs for vehicles turning into the road
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby antigee » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:00 pm
to: eastern_projects@roads.vic.gov.au
date: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:17 PM
subject: Boxhill Ringwood Railtrail Molan St markings
Pleased to see this route progressing - quick question about the markings on the shared path in Molan St - entrance to business premises rear of number 2 Newman Street
Bit puzzled by what appear to be a sort of giveway line for users of the shared path - though I do understand that giving way to vehicles entering and exiting the premises is the safest option using markings in this way seems to contradict the concept of the trail and the road rules concept that vehicles entering/exiting premises give way to users on the footway - my feeling is that the dashed lines should be removed and the driveway marked in green paint with cyclist and pedestrian overlays as is normal at road junctions and enforcing the concept that vehicles should be giving way to trail users - picture is a couple of weeks old and work is ongoing so maybe this has been corrrected already?
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby Scott_C » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:17 pm
Under Victorian Road Rule 315 the Give Way lines have effect as they are substantial similar to the give way lines defined in the Regulations and they are painted on a road-related area, they do not need to have been legally installed in order for them to have effect. If you are involved in a collision here and haven't given way there is every chance that you will be found legally liable.jasonc wrote:That is private property. No way does that overule. They have painted those lines in hope. A word to the council will fix it
As far as I can tell the Victorian Road Safety Rules do not definitively indicate whether a traffic control device overrides a general rule but I know that in WA complying with traffic signs overrides the need to comply with a contradictory regulation (WA Road Traffic Code Rule 300).
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby bychosis » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:06 pm
Locally they go one better and install giveway signs as well, normally 2 of them too.antigee wrote:IMG_20170624_155720 by Robert Jones, on Flickr
section on Box Hill to Ringwood Railtrail shared path - like the warning - hate the faux give way lines - what's that all about? My reading of the road rules is vehicles entering and exiting premises must give way when crossing the footpath - incidentally 20m away is a road with a raised crossing and give way to cyclists/peds signs for vehicles turning into the road
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby BJL » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:13 pm
So anyone can paint anything on the roads as long as it complies with road marking standards and road users are legally liable to obey? So the 'No Cyclists' sign some turd put up at The Basin a while ago was legally enforceable?Scott_C wrote:Under Victorian Road Rule 315 the Give Way lines have effect as they are substantial similar to the give way lines defined in the Regulations and they are painted on a road-related area, they do not need to have been legally installed in order for them to have effect. If you are involved in a collision here and haven't given way there is every chance that you will be found legally liable.jasonc wrote:That is private property. No way does that overule. They have painted those lines in hope. A word to the council will fix it
The real issue though is the requirement for traffic entering and leaving private property to give way to pedestrians. In practice though, it's the complete opposite as many property owners erect fences or plant trees or hedges which completely obstructs the view of the footpath meaning that any vehicle leaving the property is completely over the footpath before the driver can even see the footpath. It should be illegal for property owners to erect fences or otherwise obstruct the view of a footpath from a driveway. There are specific requirements for fence height, etc for properties on street corners and similar laws should be enforced for all property owners.
A similar situation exists on Whitehall St, Footscray. Ever ridden along the shared path there? A death trap if I ever saw one. Then there's Stud Rd at the Bayswater end. VicMotorists had the opportunity to fix this when they upgraded the road but did they? Nope, let's just leave the shared path to one side right up against properties where it crosses a bunch of driveways and visibility is an issue.
This happens ANYWHERE where they turn a footpath into a shared path and property owners have either built right up to the footpath or obstructed the view of the footpath with fencing / etc.
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Re: Cycling related signs - good/bad/ugly
Postby BJL » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:17 pm
Maybe they should extend the dotted 'giveway' lines across Molan St and give themselves priority over all other traffic while they're at it. I bet that wouldn't go down so well.bychosis wrote:Locally they go one better and install giveway signs as well, normally 2 of them too.antigee wrote:IMG_20170624_155720 by Robert Jones, on Flickr
section on Box Hill to Ringwood Railtrail shared path - like the warning - hate the faux give way lines - what's that all about? My reading of the road rules is vehicles entering and exiting premises must give way when crossing the footpath - incidentally 20m away is a road with a raised crossing and give way to cyclists/peds signs for vehicles turning into the road
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