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Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:49 pm

The Australian Cyclists Party are running candidates in the Upper House for the Victorian Elections.

We are trying to get as much support as possible

If you would like to volunteer during the election and/or on Election Day, please message me.

If you would like to assist financially, please check the link below which will also give some info on some of the candidates. We hope you all support us, we represent all cyclists

http://www.pozible.com/project/187169

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:48 am

speedhump wrote:The Australian Cyclists Party are running candidates in the Upper House for the Victorian Elections.

We are trying to get as much support as possible

If you would like to volunteer during the election and/or on Election Day, please message me.

If you would like to assist financially, please check the link below which will also give some info on some of the candidates. We hope you all support us, we represent all cyclists

http://www.pozible.com/project/187169
Thanks to those who have supported the Party!

We are nearly at our funding target, if you can, please join and/or donate

http://www.pozible.com/project/187169

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:17 pm

The 17 ACP candidates standing in the Upper House in the Victorian Election can be found here

http://australian-cyclists-party-victor ... andidates/


We want your vote! To have any chance of getting a candidate pass the line we need your first preference.

Please message me if you have any questions.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby SuperSix » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:23 pm

Who have you done preference deals with?

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:45 pm

SuperSix wrote:Who have you done preference deals with?
That will be released next week, I will let you know then.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby find_bruce » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:04 pm

Group Voting Tickets have now been published. The whole catastrophe is here. The following summarises the Australian Cyclists Party preferences. Please accept my apologies if there are any transcription errors.

While there are some themes, if there is a method in the preferences it is not apparent to me.

Eastern Metropolitan
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Neil Cameron, Shane Bebe
  2. Voluntary Euthanasia Party
  3. Greens
  4. Liberal Democrats
  5. Australian Labor Party
  6. Liberal
  7. Palmer United Party
  8. Sex Party
  9. Family First
  10. Democratic Labour Party
  11. Australian Country Alliance
  12. Australian Christians
  13. Animal Justice Party
  14. Shooters & Fishers Party
  15. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  16. Rise Up Australia Party
Eastern Victoria
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Nick Burke, Geoff Ballard
  2. Shooters & Fishers Party
  3. Voluntary Euthanasia Party
  4. Liberal Democrats
  5. Sex Party
  6. Animal Justice Party
  7. Greens
  8. Democratic Labour Party
  9. Australian Labor Party
  10. Liberals / The Nationals
  11. Australian Country Alliance
  12. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  13. Palmer United Party
  14. Australian Christians
  15. Family First
  16. Ungrouped
  17. Rise Up Australia Party
Northern Metropolitan
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Nik Dow, Geoff Cicuto
  2. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  3. Animal Justice Party
  4. Sex Party
  5. No Names
  6. Voluntary Euthanasia Party
  7. The basics rock ‘n’ roll party
  8. Ungrouped
  9. Voice for the west
  10. Greens
  11. Liberal Democrats
  12. Democratic Labour Party
  13. Family First
  14. Australian Labor Party
  15. Liberal
  16. Palmer United Party
  17. Vote 1 local jobs
  18. Australian Christians
  19. Rise Up Australia Party
  20. Shooters & Fishers Party
  21. Australian Country Alliance
Northern Victoria
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Mark Horner, Arwen Birch
  2. Sex Party
  3. Shooters & Fishers Party
  4. Animal Justice Party
  5. Liberal Democrats
  6. Greens
  7. Australian Country Alliance
  8. Australian Labor Party
  9. Liberals / The Nationals
  10. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  11. Family First
  12. Democratic Labour Party
  13. Palmer United Party
  14. Rise Up Australia Party
South Eastern Metropolitan
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Robert Siddle, Troy Parsons
  2. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  3. Greens
  4. Liberal Democrats
  5. Australian Labor Party
  6. Sex Party
  7. Liberal
  8. Palmer United Party
  9. Voluntary Euthanasia Party
  10. Animal Justice Party
  11. Democratic Labour Party
  12. Shooters & Fishers Party
  13. Australian Christians
  14. Family First
  15. Rise Up Australia Party
  16. Ungrouped
Southern Metropolitan
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Richard Bowen, Kathryn Siddle, Marcus Barber
  2. No names 1
  3. No names 2
  4. Sex Party
  5. Animal Justice Party
  6. Voluntary Euthanasia Party
  7. Australian Country Alliance
  8. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  9. Greens
  10. Ungrouped
  11. Australian Labor Party
  12. Liberal
  13. Shooters & Fishers Party
  14. Family First
  15. Australian Christians
  16. Democratic Labour Party
  17. Liberal Democrats
  18. Palmer United Party
  19. Rise Up Australia Party
Western Metropolitan
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Frank Reinthaler, Nick O’Keefe
  2. Greens
  3. Voice for the west
  4. Sex Party
  5. Australian Labor Party
  6. Animal Justice Party
  7. Democratic Labour Party
  8. Liberal Democrats
  9. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  10. Liberal
  11. Family First
  12. Palmer United Party
  13. Australian Country Alliance
  14. Australian Christians
  15. Shooters & Fishers Party
  16. Rise Up Australia Party
Western Victoria
  1. Australian Cyclists Party Kathy Francis, Colin Charles
  2. Greens
  3. Sex Party
  4. Voice for the west
  5. Australian Labor Party
  6. Animal Justice Party
  7. Democratic Labour Party
  8. Liberal Democrats
  9. Liberal / The Nationals
  10. Palmer United Party
  11. Family First
  12. Australian Country Alliance
  13. Rise Up Australia Party
  14. Australian Christians
  15. People Power Victoria / No Smart Meters
  16. Shooters & Fishers Party
  17. Vote 1 local jobs
  18. Ungrouped

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby Summernight » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:54 am

find_bruce wrote:Group Voting Tickets have now been published. The whole catastrophe is here. The following summarises the Australian Cyclists Party preferences. Please accept my apologies if there are any transcription errors.

While there are some themes, if there is a method in the preferences it is not apparent to me.
There will be - I recall the ACP employing the same 'preference whisperer' who did the preference deals for the Motoring Enthusiasts Party... Who scored them a senate seat...

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victo ... 1ogx7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Should be an interesting outcome.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:25 pm

Please come along if you have any questions about the ACP.

Victorians, come meet the candidates on a short bike ride (5-6 km) this Sunday! We will meet at Federation Square in Melbourne at 11 AM for a short ride to the Yarra and a place we can stop and have a coffee and have time to chat. We will going at a leisurely pace.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby fat and old » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:42 pm

Why is there no mention on their www about the no helmet stance?

No reflection on you Speedhump. Kudos for fronting the forums :D

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby il padrone » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:00 pm

There is this policy statement:

https://australian-cyclists-party.org/policy-options/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
•That a national inquiry or commission be established to review the efficacy of mandatory bicycle helmet legislation (MHL) based on the experience of the last 20+ years with a view towards recommending its continuation, removal or modification. Based on the recommendations of a recent inquiry in Queensland, we are ready to support the reform of bicycle helmet regulations that would allow adult cyclists the choice of wearing a helmet or not.
Mandatory helmet law?
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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby fat and old » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:54 pm

il padrone wrote:There is this policy statement:

https://australian-cyclists-party.org/policy-options/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
•That a national inquiry or commission be established to review the efficacy of mandatory bicycle helmet legislation (MHL) based on the experience of the last 20+ years with a view towards recommending its continuation, removal or modification. Based on the recommendations of a recent inquiry in Queensland, we are ready to support the reform of bicycle helmet regulations that would allow adult cyclists the choice of wearing a helmet or not.
Cool....my googling isn't up to scratch :lol: Little bit subdued, in the best political style, but there.

Thanks IP :)

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby Drizt » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:09 pm

If they waste time / money / effort on mhl stuff over actually important stuff like infrastructure and driver re-education... Well I'll be less inclined to vote for them.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:14 pm

Drizt wrote:If they waste time / money / effort on mhl stuff over actually important stuff like infrastructure and driver re-education... Well I'll be less inclined to vote for them.
There are other Policy Initiatives here http://australian-cyclists-party-victor ... /policies/

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby Drizt » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:18 pm

Glad it's near the bottom of the list (would prefer it wasn't there at all - waste of time as it will never be removed )

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby Drizt » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:18 pm

The list is actually pretty good. I'll be strongly considering voting for them.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby Strydz » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:35 am

Summernight wrote:
find_bruce wrote:Group Voting Tickets have now been published. The whole catastrophe is here. The following summarises the Australian Cyclists Party preferences. Please accept my apologies if there are any transcription errors.

While there are some themes, if there is a method in the preferences it is not apparent to me.
There will be - I recall the ACP employing the same 'preference whisperer' who did the preference deals for the Motoring Enthusiasts Party... Who scored them a senate seat...

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victo ... 1ogx7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Should be an interesting outcome.
It certainly will be an interesting outcome but it a pity they got into bed with Glen Druery, I understand they want a seat and it would be nice to have a voice but its "gaming" the political system and a seat won in this manner is grubby to say the least.
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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby yugyug » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:46 am

Drizt wrote:Glad it's near the bottom of the list (would prefer it wasn't there at all - waste of time as it will never be removed )
Speak for yourself - for me I want it top of the list.

Regarding the comments about Glen Druery - I though in the end he didn't work for the ACP? Something I read somewhere recently suggested that ACP had too many objections to his recommendations and he walked?

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:06 am

If you want to vote for the Australian Cyclists Party but do not agree with the preference allocations in your Region, then please vote “below the line” and select the order of preferences you would prefer – in the Victorian upper house a valid upper house voting paper only needs to indicate your first 5 preferences beginning with the Australian Cyclists Party at 1. :D

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby DavidS » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:33 pm

Interesting preferencing in my seat, a lot going to other minor parties but The Greens before the rest of the parties who normally get a seat. I was told you had preferenced the Shooters and Fishers but that is wrong. Always worth checking the VEC web site to get the real story.

I understand most people don't want to mark all the boxes but I would say to everyone, have a look at the preference allocation before voting above the line.

Also this is optional preferential, you only have to mark the boxes as far as you want to (minimum of 5). This can be a bit of a trap though. For example, if I don't want the Libs to get in I might not preference them at all and my vote would be exhausted before it gets to them. However, I may not want the Libs in but I might want to express a preference indicating I would prefer a Lib to, for example, Rise Up Australia or the Lib Dems. Not preferencing that far down the ballot may exhaust my vote leaving others to elect a candidate I don't prefer. The counting of proportional representation in a multi member electorate is quite complex and most people have no idea how it is counted. The main message is to allocate preferences as far as you are willing and remember if it gets to the end of your vote and you preference the Raving Looney Party over the Sensible Party, it is the Raving Looney Party who will get your vote (or part of your vote, told you it was complicated).

And now, the best piece of advice you will get all week, because I used to be a poll clerk: vote in the mid afternoon, smallest queues. And, buy a sausage form the primary school, they are woefully underfunded and will remain so no matter who gets in and they really do need your spare cash.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby find_bruce » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:12 pm

Provisional results on the ABC site

While the headlines focus on the lower house, the upper house shows the Coalition losing 5 seats, Labor losing 3 seats. The Greens only picked up 2 seats, with 6 minor parties - 2 Shooters & Fishers, 1 Australian Sex Party, 1 Democratic Labor Party, 1 Vote 1 Local Jobs, 1 Country Alliance. Labor will need the support of the Greens & 3 minor parties to pass any legislation.

Primary vote for Australian Cyclists Party as follows:
  • 1.21% Southern Metropolitan
    0.80% Northern Metropolitan
    0.75% Western Metropolitan
    0.48% Eastern Metropolitan
    0.45% Northern Victoria
    0.38% South-Eastern Metropolitan
    0.37% Western Victoria
    0.33% Eastern Victoria

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby DavidS » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:02 am

Not a great vote but not much campaigning (I did get a postcard while stopped in town one day).

I'm not totally sure about those numbers of likely elected candidates. With a very large pre-poll vote that will tend to favour those parties who staff the pre-polling centres: ALP, Libs and Greens. Also, although I count a quota amongst the very minor parties in quite a few of these electorates the preference leaking could have an impact. I can't see the upper house being settled until late this week.

Antony Green had a rant about this on the ABC coverage. To some extent I agree that very minor parties getting seats is a bit of a strange outcome. However, it is the will of the electorate, even if they don't know it, after all, if the very minor parties between them get a quota and they cross preference then one of them should get a seat given enough voters lodged a vote for them and expressed their preference for the other very minor parties. The fact is that proportional representation is very democratic but with very minor parties attracting a lot of votes between them this can happen. There are solutions. Firstly, it would be nice if people who vote above the line actually look at where their preferences are going, although it could be made easier by having posters in polling booths showing the preference distribution, which they did when above the line voting was first introduced federally. This is unlikely. Secondly, and far more practical, allow preferencing above the line. A simple solution. Then I think quite a few voters would preference themselves rather than leave it to the parties and their deal making.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby clackers » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:52 am

Because Omar wouldn't give Druery pre selection in NSW, Druery stitched up (successful) preference deals for the Shooters instead. War of words on Twitter.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby find_bruce » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:39 am

clackers wrote:Because Omar wouldn't give Druery pre selection in NSW, Druery stitched up (successful) preference deals for the Shooters instead. War of words on Twitter.
Article in The Age 'Preference whisperer' Glenn Druery claims victory in Victorian election, says cycling party 'failed' by refusing his advice

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby speedhump » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:33 am

Thanks for all who voted, volunteered at donated to the Party. I was on a Booth in Middle Park and the amount of corflutes, banners freestanding signs and other promotional gear for the Liberals was ridiculous, the budget for the Liberals just for that Booth would have been the whole Budget for the ACP, plus the Liberals had set it all up the day before to get prime position and had paid for security to guard it from the other pesky parties tearing it down. We had around 50 volunteers to cover 300 Booths and that's just Southern Metro region where we concentrated our resources. We simply didn't have the people to allocate to pre-poll. Its unfortunate the Election coincided with the GVBR. The Party only got registered in Victoria early this year so I think its a reasonable result, it looks as though we might get about 25,000 to 30,000 first pref votes across the State. We need more people to volunteer!!! It will be interesting how we go in NSW where the ACP is more established and then the Federal Election, who knows when that will be? On the Glen Druery stuff, we were getting criticized for using him when we hadn't and now the criticism is that we should have used him, at the end of the day we didn't and it is explain why in a previous post. It is debatable whether the result would have been any different. Remember we are all a bunch of cyclists with a passion for cycling, there is no financial gain for anyone. The most important resource is volunteers and we need more and join if you havnt already.

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Re: Australian Cyclists Party

Postby DavidS » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:57 pm

I think you did the right thing not going with Druery. Your preferences would have gone all over the place and could well have elected some anti-cycling parliamentarian. I voted below the line because I didn't totally agree with your preferences but I rarely vote above the line, partly because I truly do know how proportional rep is counted.

Good luck, hopefully it creates some interest and we'll see if a difference can be made.

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