WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby CycleSnail » Thu May 17, 2012 8:55 am
I have put a draft of our feedback to the West Australian Bike Network Plan on our website. Feel free to comment, and/or, more importantly, use some of the material to help you formulate your own response.
I have also posted the comments made at the feedback session on Saturday 5.5.12, as well as the presentations given by MainRoadsWA that day.
And ... I have updated my little comparison of the money suggested in the WABN and the recent announcement on money for cycling in the next couple of years.
Is there a life beyond updating the BTA website and the BTA Facebook pages (used for quick updates on a broader range of subjects than WA transport cycling) ?
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby Red Rider » Fri May 18, 2012 3:02 pm
And thanks also for going over the figures again. I've updated the graph with costings breakdown; PSP funding, PBN Grants, RBN Grants, and CBD specific funding:
Note: I have included the CBD cycling network funding from the anti-congestion plan announced on 21/4/12. $7.5m over 4 years, with no yearly breakdown as yet announced, so the funding has been distributed evenly over 4 years ($1.875m/year).
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby CycleSnail » Fri May 18, 2012 4:35 pm
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby Aushiker » Sun May 20, 2012 12:50 pm
The Cyclists’ Action Group has commended the state government for putting millions into bicycle transport. G r o u p p r e s i d e n t B r u c e Robinson said the money would help the Perth-Fremantle cycleway. This week Transport Minister Troy Buswell and Treasurer Christian Porter said $20 million would be spent over two years to improve and increase bicycle networks. “This funding boost will enable relatively large sections of principal-shared paths to be constructed, whereas this has previously been done on a kilometre by kilometre basis,” the ministers said. The Fremantle rail path from Shenton Park station to Loch Street station, and from Grant Street station to Marine Parade, will get some of the money.Mr Robinson said: “Less than half the 19km of the cyclepath along the railway line has been completed so far, and the budget provides for completion as far as the Beehive Montessori School, but not the remaining 20% into Fremantle. “The Perth-Fremantle cycleway is important as there are 11 secondary schools along or close to the railway line. “The school-time congestion on Stirling Highway could be significantly reduced if more students were able to ride safely and conveniently to school, rather than being taken by car. ”Mr Robinson said trying to cure traffi c congestion by widening highways was ruinously expensive and self-defeating, as wider roads just generated more car trips.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:34 pm
BTA's submission can be found on BTA's Website.
If anyone else is aware of any other submissions, please post them up as well.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby Sinner » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:49 pm
All sorts of violations and illegal messages too!
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:20 am
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby blkmcs » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:40 pm
It can be opened from the BTA link but not from the link you posted above.rolandp wrote:Weird, have also posted it up on BTAs website, as well as City of Joondalups response.
A lot of work in that submission Roland, thanks for the effort.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby Aushiker » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:30 pm
Press Release here
WABNP is here.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:07 pm
The document has been partially rewritten to take on board changes (ie MAX) and feedback from the public and others.
It still does not provide a timeframe and I could only locate:
The seven priority links within 15 km of the Perth CBD will be completed within the next decade and an indicative implementation plan for the design and construction of the PSP projects will be developed and made available on the DoT website
Has funding been approved? For example Local Government Gants in the approved document indicates:
An estimated $2 million allocation will be required on an annual basis.
For 2014-15, only $1.33M will be awarded of which $100k is to go to Connecting Schools.
The northern PSP, is still reliant on the Stirling Alliance, and in the two years since the draft WABNP was released, I'm not too sure how far the Stirling Alliance has progressed, so, if this is delayed or not approved, what will happen to the Northern PSP?
Several sections of the existing path are constructed from concrete and are in poor condition. Consequently, cycling numbers on this section of path are less than half those for a comparable PSP section on Kwinana Freeway, despite a larger residential catchment surrounding the Mitchell Freeway.
This is a real missed opportunity to double numbers in this area.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby 88mph » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:36 pm
Seriously, what's $50 million in the scheme of things.
geez!!
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby citywomble » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:05 pm
As far as I am aware the Stirling Alliance has been terminated by the departure of the state government involvement.The northern PSP, is still reliant on the Stirling Alliance
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:54 pm
No provision has been made for structures beneath Cedric Street due to infrastructure timeframe requirements for the Stirling Regional Centre being unclear at this stage. This situation will be reviewed as planning for the area evolves. However, it is recognised that a grade-separated facility at Cedric Street will be required in the future.
So, no Hutton St improvements in the approved WABNP, shouldn't this section have been adjusted in the WABNP, if it is clear that Stirling Alliance was not going ahead?
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby citywomble » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:24 pm
I am aware that MRWA have produced concept plans for a new PSP section south of Hutton which will resolve the Hutton Street crossing connecting to Telford Crescent PSP. This is not dependant on any Stirling City Centre (SCC) progress.
It is possible that the final document is not fully in synch with all of the PSP improvements. It is only the grade separation at Cedric Street which would be inhibited by SCC.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Tue May 06, 2014 11:17 pm
The PSP priorities over the period 2013/14 to 2016/17 are:
Projects designed and to be commenced in 2014.
•Kwinana Freeway (Mill Point Road to Thelma Street) – upgrade commenced.
•Perth-Midland rail line (Bassendean Station to Success Hill Station) - new path to be commenced shortly.
•Kwinana Freeway (Scandrett Way to London Way) - new path.
•Mitchell Freeway (Erindale Road to Balcatta Road) - new path.
Projects designed and to be commenced from 2015
•Perth-Midland rail line( Guildford Station to Morrison Road) - new path.
•Perth-Fremantle rail line (Loch Street Station to Shenton Park Station) -new path.
•Mitchell Freeway (Karrinyup Road to Erindale Road) - new path.
Design development for the PSP program is well underway, with the main focus being concept design, detailed design and initiation of pre-construction activities. The design work is being completed for all of the priority PSP projects planned for delivery up to 2023.
The Perth CBD Transport Plan priorities are:
•CBD, PSP, Arena West: Completed.
•Barrack Street, On Road Lanes Riverside Drive to St Georges Terrace: Second half of 2014.
•Roe Street/Railway, Road PSP extension, Lake Street to Thomas Street: 2015/16 to 2016/17.
Major regional priorities are (through Regional Bicycle Network grants):
•Busselton/Dunsborough, Shared Path 1.2km’s north of Dunsborough to Dunsborough (completed staged path construction that started in the 1980’s): Path opened on 16 March 2014.
•Albany, On road and off road, Various locations: 2013/14 to 2014/15.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby JBark » Wed May 07, 2014 10:59 am
Good to see that section is getting replaced, it's completely wrecked after they drove over it with heavy equipment during the freeway widening.rolandp wrote:•Kwinana Freeway (Scandrett Way to London Way) - new path.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby Baalzamon » Wed May 07, 2014 2:21 pm
Fingers crossed they remove the road sections and it's path completely.JBark wrote:Good to see that section is getting replaced, it's completely wrecked after they drove over it with heavy equipment during the freeway widening.rolandp wrote:•Kwinana Freeway (Scandrett Way to London Way) - new path.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby worzel » Wed May 07, 2014 2:47 pm
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby BrownBike » Wed May 07, 2014 2:50 pm
Oooh so is this a bit of PSP to replace the Gribble road detour?rolandp wrote:
Projects designed and to be commenced in 2014.
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•Mitchell Freeway (Erindale Road to Balcatta Road) - new path.
Projects designed and to be commenced from 2015
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•Mitchell Freeway (Karrinyup Road to Erindale Road) - new path.
(Edit - yes, just saw the Gribble Rd thread)
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby citywomble » Wed May 07, 2014 7:09 pm
Yes it is.Oooh so is this a bit of PSP to replace the Gribble road detour?
Notice of imminent commencement has already been received by local residents and an announcement is expected very soon. Information already in the public domain suggests that works may even commence this month.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Wed May 07, 2014 9:57 pm
The first one is Gribble Rd section.BrownBike wrote:Oooh so is this a bit of PSP to replace the Gribble road detour?rolandp wrote:
Projects designed and to be commenced in 2014.
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•Mitchell Freeway (Erindale Road to Balcatta Road) - new path.
Projects designed and to be commenced from 2015
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•Mitchell Freeway (Karrinyup Road to Erindale Road) - new path.
(Edit - yes, just saw the Gribble Rd thread)
The second one is further south (ie from Karrinyup Rd). It will be interesting to see if this provides grade separation under/over Karrinyup Rd as part of this work. There was also talk of locating PSP to east side of Freeway for this section. Citywomble do you know?
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby citywomble » Wed May 07, 2014 10:54 pm
As a consultee I know more than I can say given it is not in the public domain.
I will check whether I can comment further on this.
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby eldavo » Wed May 07, 2014 11:18 pm
Having to look up the definition of NIMBY I stumbled on this relevant article to state planning.worzel wrote:Those two sections on the Mitchell PSP are some of the better stretches. Admittedly Gribble Road is a steep climb and the NIMBY's dont like us on their road but other than that I would have thought there were more important bits to work on like: Hutton St intersection, Karrinyup Road intersection, Cedric St crossing, Ossie Park and all the side roads to cross, the rough-as concrete section south of Greenwood station up to the bridge over the Mitchell...
"The triumph of the NIMBY in urban planning" 1 December 2011
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby worzel » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:34 am
I think I need to retract the comment about the stretch from Karrinyup Road to Gribble Road being one of the best. It is long and straight but presumably due to the rain it is now clear they just laid red bitumen over the old concrete slabs and now there is a bone-jarring hump every 2 metres where they have risen.worzel wrote:Those two sections on the Mitchell PSP are some of the better stretches. Admittedly Gribble Road is a steep climb and the NIMBY's dont like us on their road but other than that I would have thought there were more important bits to work on like: Hutton St intersection, Karrinyup Road intersection, Cedric St crossing, Ossie Park and all the side roads to cross, the rough-as concrete section south of Greenwood station up to the bridge over the Mitchell...
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Re: WA Bike Plan announcement 06 May 2012
Postby rolandp » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:58 am
Principle Shared Path Maintenance – is enough being done?
was based around that section:
and have the following response from DoT back in June 2012:
The Cycling and Pedestrian Co-ordinator has investigated the section of Principle Shared Path (PSP) north of Karrinyup Road and it has been determined that the surface is not a maintenance issue but a new path would be required. This section of PSP has already been identified as a priority in the WA Bicycle Network Plan 2012 – 2021 with the ultimate alignment for a new PSP through that section being on the east side of the Mitchell Freeway.
Kind regards,
Office of the Director General
Department of Transport
Two years on, and we still have to wait until at least 2015 before it is replaced.
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