Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby rolandp » Tue May 13, 2014 8:34 am
In addition, three 'dismountables' have been put on the site. Not too sure if they are there for the bypass, or the rather significant land development that has been announced to the east of Gribble Road. The race is on to install the PSP prior to the land development occurring, or it will be an other land development occurring on our current route.
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby citywomble » Tue May 13, 2014 9:24 pm
I can confirm that the three demountables that have arrived are being set up by the contractor that will be constructing the new PSP.
These are preliminary works creating a site compound prior to an imminent start on the PSP. It's happening!
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby rolandp » Tue May 13, 2014 11:54 pm
At least two staff on site this morning at around 7:00am, really looking forward to this one:
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby Aushiker » Thu May 22, 2014 10:27 am
We are building a new 1.2km section of Principal Shared Path (PSP) along the western side of the Mitchell Freeway in Gwelup, linking the Erindale Road and Reid Highway underpasses.
The project started in May 2014 and should be completed within four months. The completed path will include two 1.5m lanes, sealed shoulders, lighting, retaining walls and safety barriers. It will provide a safer and more direct route for path users, especially during peak traffic periods, by reducing the need for interaction between pedestrians, cyclists and motorists.
Due to the local terrain, several retaining structures will be constructed but the grade will be limited to three percent to comply with mobility standards. Some clearing within the freeway road reserve is required for this project but will be kept to the minimum.
The following diagram shows the alignment of the new PSP:
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby as7431 » Thu May 22, 2014 12:55 pm
Next dream is to fix up Cedric St crossing. Counted 12 waiting to cross yesterday.
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby Aushiker » Thu May 22, 2014 1:30 pm
I think you might be giving to much credit to Main Roads WA. I suggest you drop Leanne Pitcher an email at lpitch@bigpond.net.au and see what the response is (BTW why does a Main Roads representative have a Bigpond email address?)as7431 wrote:No doubt there is a reason for this routing. Regardless, it will be great once it is done.
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby wellington_street » Thu May 22, 2014 1:42 pm
Main Roads engages a couple of 'independent' community liaison/consultation professionals for major projects.Aushiker wrote:I think you might be giving to much credit to Main Roads WA. I suggest you drop Leanne Pitcher an email at lpitch@bigpond.net.au and see what the response is (BTW why does a Main Roads representative have a Bigpond email address?)
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby Aushiker » Thu May 22, 2014 1:46 pm
I appreciate that .... however, to be professional they should have (a) have a corporate email address, preferably a Main Road's one and (b) the page should clearly spell out her affiliations, more so given they are screening feedback on the project. Using a Bigpond address in 2014 in a corporate context is very unprofessional.wellington_street wrote:Main Roads engages a couple of 'independent' community liaison/consultation professionals for major projects.Aushiker wrote:I think you might be giving to much credit to Main Roads WA. I suggest you drop Leanne Pitcher an email at lpitch@bigpond.net.au and see what the response is (BTW why does a Main Roads representative have a Bigpond email address?)
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby Scott_C » Thu May 22, 2014 7:07 pm
I don't think the S-bend should be too much trouble as it is a right-turn then left-turn bend. A cyclist going too fast turning right will end up going wide which should put them off the path (and maybe into the lake) instead of going into on-coming traffic when you run wide when turning left. If cyclists turning right choose to cut the corner into on-coming traffic there's nothing you can do with the path design to stop them except put in a divider which will usually cause more problems than it solves.as7431 wrote:Not too keen on the S around the lake, which, if going south will likely see cyclists hit it at speed.
The right hand turns should also have a slightly wider radius (additional 1.5m) than the left hand turns so are easier to negotiate at speed.
The map also implies that the path to the East of the lake will be maintained (as it shows a realignment of the path joining onto the new path) so people should be able to take the other path and skip the s-bend if they want.
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby as7431 » Thu May 22, 2014 10:41 pm
Saw the work from the freeway this afternoon. Significant landscaping happening towards the north. Can't quite visualize how it will all end up on the northern half. Almost looks like the path is going to run quite close to the freeway. Must head out for an after hours explore
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby worzel » Sun May 25, 2014 11:50 am
Yes, I passed it on the freeway yesterday - lots of sand down and a roller going up and down. It does look very close to the road.as7431 wrote:Saw the work from the freeway this afternoon. Significant landscaping happening towards the north. Can't quite visualize how it will all end up on the northern half. Almost looks like the path is going to run quite close to the freeway. Must head out for an after hours explore
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby Aushiker » Tue May 27, 2014 1:24 pm
Time to ask the Minister a question or three.
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby rolandp » Wed May 28, 2014 1:01 am
Mitchell PSP – Karrinyup Road grade separation design
A concept design for an underpass structure on the west side of the Mitchell Freeway beneath Karrinyup Road has been completed. A concept design for a bridge structure was also considered. However, both structures are considered to be problematic and will not progress. DoT has directed MRWA to prepare a concept for an underpass on the eastern side of the Mitchell Freeway instead and to prepare concepts for PSP links from Civic Place to Erindale Road. Design work is underway.
Mitchell PSP – Karrinyup Road grade separation design
A concept design for an underpass structure on the west side of the Mitchell Freeway beneath Karrinyup Road has been completed. A concept design for a bridge structure was also considered. However, both structures are considered to be problematic and will not progress. DoT has directed MRWA to prepare a concept for an underpass on the eastern side of the Mitchell Freeway instead and to prepare concepts for PSP links from Civic Place to Erindale Road. Design work is underway.
The document is dated June 2012, so these things do take time.
It also does points to the PSP between Karrinyup Rd/Erindale Rd being located on the east side of the freeway, as the west side Karrinyup Rd grade separation is not possible.
If so, then the end result of the alignment of the PSP around Erindale Rd in the future (hopefully not too soon future) will look like:
This is also supported by the work occurring now, where the new shared path, is located a lot further east to the existing path, and is 'up the hill' from the existing one:
So the end result will be a lot more than a 's-shape' in my opinion, and only based on observations as unfortunately for some reason, WA Bicycle Network Plan projects are being not advertised fully.
Personally I would like to have seen the path located to the east of the lake (see my original mud map I drew up 8-odd years ago), as this gives access to the lake for those in the area, rather than have to cross a PSP, removes the s-curve and now also aligns closer to the Erindale Rd (assuming this will be a crossing in the future).
This may also explain why there was negative views from one local resident earlier on this topic, as they may also have similar views about the lake, and where the PSP should be located.
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby Aushiker » Thu May 29, 2014 12:56 pm
The response was ...
Andrew, I can advise the following:
1) The design of the path provides adequate sight lines based on the design requirements for a PSP. The altered alignment of the PSP at the north exit of the underpass, for both north and southbound cyclists, now provides much greater sight distance and improved visibility. As we are ensuring a maximum grade along this section of PSP, we are also providing greater amenity for those that may have mobility issues. Regular trimming of the surrounding vegetation will be carried out to maintain suitable sight distances.
2) Where the existing paths connect to the main PSP alignment, just to the north of the underpas,s we are installing symbolic GIVEWAY signage to enhance the safety of all PSP users.
3) The PSP alignment was kept to the west of the lake because it is easier to provide grades suitable for people with mobility issues. Another factor in the decision-making process was to identify access requirements for current path users, and a number of these are pedestrians that come in from the west side via the existing Erindale Road concrete path as well as areas to the west of Gribble Road.
I hope this helps
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby wellington_street » Thu May 29, 2014 1:31 pm
That's one way of making things get doneAushiker wrote:Well I got a response from Ms Pitcher, Media and Communications Consultant after poking MainRoads WA on Twitter and asking if I should contact the Minister to have their consultants do their job ... within two hours I had an email
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
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Re: Mitchell Fway PSP - Gribble Rd, Gwelup bypass
Postby CXCommuter » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:04 am
Just saying it appears to be a bigger project than what it needed to be.
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