Apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52kph prior to the collision.A Perth firefighter could be left paraplegic after a collision between his bicycle and a car on a notorious stretch of road in Attadale.
Ian Beard, 43, is in hospital with three fractured vertebrae, a damaged spinal cord and broken ribs after the crash on Burke Drive.
A security camera captured vision of the horrifying moment a car pulls onto the road as Mr Beard, a father of two, is cycling down the hill.
Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
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Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Scott_C » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:58 pm
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby outnabike » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:09 am
Not the riders fault if a driver does that.The driver sat for nine seconds and went out into the riders path. People look but just don't see.
I have given up roaring down hills that have a road entering at the bottom, had too many close calls from cars just coming out or overtaking then left hooking me. I am starting to treat those places like pedestrian crossings.
But it takes the fun out of riding.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Dirty32 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:23 pm
It is relevant or appropriate that this is mentioned at all?Scott_C wrote: Apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52kph prior to the collision.
Surely (or at least, IMO) this comment only needs to come into play if that speed indicates the rider was exceeding the signposted limit for that street / road? If they were not, then it is completely irrelevant and does not excuse the driver from having done what they have.
Nevertheless, fingers crossed for a full and speedy recovery for the rider.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Shifter » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:01 pm
Burke Dr is a residential zone - 50kph limit.Dirty32 wrote:It is relevant or appropriate that this is mentioned at all?Scott_C wrote: Apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52kph prior to the collision.
Surely (or at least, IMO) this comment only needs to come into play if that speed indicates the rider was exceeding the signposted limit for that street / road? If they were not, then it is completely irrelevant and does not excuse the driver from having done what they have.
Nevertheless, fingers crossed for a full and speedy recovery for the rider.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby tomness » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:18 pm
Dirty32 wrote:It is relevant or appropriate that this is mentioned at all?Scott_C wrote: Apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52kph prior to the collision.
Surely (or at least, IMO) this comment only needs to come into play if that speed indicates the rider was exceeding the signposted limit for that street / road? If they were not, then it is completely irrelevant and does not excuse the driver from having done what they have.
Nevertheless, fingers crossed for a full and speedy recovery for the rider.
Agreed. I hope he makes a full and swift recovery.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby harmonix1234 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:19 pm
The 52kph argument is moot.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Bartek » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:40 pm
I think it is obvious from the video that in this instance the car driver was at fault and Ian was already taking evasive action. I hope we can all join in wishing Ian a speedy and full recovery!
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby nescius » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:21 pm
Looks like the information comes from the Strava file linked in the first post. I would take any speed reported by the android or ios Strava app with a grain of salt, they aren't particularly accurate and you will often see speeds that you didn't actually hit (the highest I've seen is over 3000kmh). It's irrelevant in this instance anyway.Bartek wrote:As a friend and colleague of Ian, I am shocked and angry that he has become another victim of the roads. I can personally vouch for Ian's safe driving on-road, off road and under emergency conditions. I would like to enquire as to what is being implied by "apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52 kph prior to to the collision" and where this information came from.
I think it is obvious from the video that in this instance the car driver was at fault and Ian was already taking evasive action. I hope we can all join in wishing Ian a speedy and full recovery!
I also hope he makes a speedy and full recovery
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby ejaycarroll » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:10 pm
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/injur ... zyvw5.html
As well as stating that we need to pay more attention and get off our phones (tick), he also stated this:
“As a cyclist, there’s no way we should be allowed to ride two abreast on the roads, we need to look at changing that rule," he said.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby nescius » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:39 pm
Well, he was knocked out so he probably has a brain injury, that can make you say stupid things sometimes.ejaycarroll wrote:This was in the news today:
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/injur ... zyvw5.html
As well as stating that we need to pay more attention and get off our phones (tick), he also stated this:
“As a cyclist, there’s no way we should be allowed to ride two abreast on the roads, we need to look at changing that rule," he said.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby kx315 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:55 pm
What Strava says is completely irrelevant in this case.
As for riding two up people can say the wrong things at times of great stress/injury
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby ball bearing » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:03 pm
Heal well, brother.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Tandem » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:53 pm
Not necessary do you need to be knocked out do make a stupid commentnescius wrote:Well, he was knocked out so he probably has a brain injury, that can make you say stupid things sometimes.ejaycarroll wrote:This was in the news today:
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/injur ... zyvw5.html
As well as stating that we need to pay more attention and get off our phones (tick), he also stated this:
“As a cyclist, there’s no way we should be allowed to ride two abreast on the roads, we need to look at changing that rule," he said.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Scott_C » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:14 pm
Sorry, I must have phrased that badly as I certainly did not mean to imply any fault on the part of the cyclist, it was just a link to some further information that I thought was interesting. My own Strava history shows that I go through this same intersection at 51kph on a flat bar road bike with a cadence of 0, just rolling down the hill.Bartek wrote:"apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52 kph prior to to the collision" and where this information came from.
I was uploading my commute to Strava at the time I read the article so I did a quick search on the name and came up with the file.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:11 pm
I hope Mr Beard makes a quick and full recovery.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby michelle_s » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:32 pm
So he was heading down the hill going at 52km which was recorded on strava, was hit by a car and then found it appropriate to upload his ride on strava? Is that what you're saying? Or was this a previous ride.Scott_C wrote:From PerthNow & Channel 9 with video.
Apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52kph prior to the collision.A Perth firefighter could be left paraplegic after a collision between his bicycle and a car on a notorious stretch of road in Attadale.
Ian Beard, 43, is in hospital with three fractured vertebrae, a damaged spinal cord and broken ribs after the crash on Burke Drive.
A security camera captured vision of the horrifying moment a car pulls onto the road as Mr Beard, a father of two, is cycling down the hill.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:25 am
It seems to be the same ride - same day as the accident. Much of the ride where he sets second-bests on a few segments are from the ambulance. I assume that strava can take live feeds from GPS.michelle_s wrote:So he was heading down the hill going at 52km which was recorded on strava, was hit by a car and then found it appropriate to upload his ride on strava? Is that what you're saying? Or was this a previous ride.Scott_C wrote:From PerthNow & Channel 9 with video.
Apparently he was running Strava with a recorded speed of 52kph prior to the collision.A Perth firefighter could be left paraplegic after a collision between his bicycle and a car on a notorious stretch of road in Attadale.
Ian Beard, 43, is in hospital with three fractured vertebrae, a damaged spinal cord and broken ribs after the crash on Burke Drive.
A security camera captured vision of the horrifying moment a car pulls onto the road as Mr Beard, a father of two, is cycling down the hill.
The video quality is really washed out and I thought at first that is may be dusk. Perhaps at a stretch one could then understand how a driver could miss seeing a bike under conditions. But on on review there appears to be shadow under the car so. So am guessing it was mid-dayish and overcast and so making it VERY hard to see how a driver could miss seeing him.
So, it then gets down to things like clear lines of sight. I know the spot - I lived around there for a decade and am familiar with it's more recent, presumably current layout. It's a lengthy and respectable slope so 52kph is not hard to achieve . Using Google maps I estimate that there is clear line of sight of about 120m. At 52kph that makes it about 13 seconds from the point at which he should be seen to the intersection at which the car puled out from.
It looks to me that the rider flipped over the bars before the collision under braking.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Scott_C » Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:57 am
From the info on Strava he was running the Strava App on his Android phone which recorded a (perfectly appropriate for the conditions) speed of 52.2kph 49.8km and 1:37:48 into his ride at the corner of Carroll Drive and Honour Ave. It then abruptly drops to zero when the numpty in the car stupidly pulls out in front of the cyclist. The phone then remains stationary for around 30 minutes until it is apparently loaded into an ambulance which then earns a number of KoM's on the way to RPH where the Strava App continues recording for another 7 hours until it is stopped or out of battery.michelle_s wrote:So he was heading down the hill going at 52km which was recorded on strava, was hit by a car and then found it appropriate to upload his ride on strava? Is that what you're saying? Or was this a previous ride.
I assume the phone app automatically uploads rides (or can be configured to do so) as the people I ride with who use the phone app always have their data uploaded when I get home and upload from my Garmin.
To me the Strava link just provided some interesting information about how hard the collision was. I was not suggesting running Strava had anything to do with the crash or that the cyclist was doing anything untoward. As a 'numbers' person I like to quantify things and it helps me to understand situations if I can look at the numbers. In this case I found that his speed was within 1kph of my speed rolling down the same hill which gave me a strong point of comparison and showed to me that he wasn't doing anything I wouldn't do myself and that it could just have easily been me in that situation rather than him.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Red Rider » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:43 am
Being lazy with our responsibilities on the road can be easy, particularly motor vehicle drivers who are in our protective cases, blunted levels of alertness and awareness by trip after trip in traffic. Handling 1.5+ tonnes of projectile is an onus that has to be taken far more seriously than many understand.
Thanks for the link Scott, very interesting. Amazing the phone battery lasted 9 hours with Strava running. It's very easy to save a ride using the phone app, just two taps and it's done, instant upload.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Rex » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:23 am
Another case for running front lights day and night.
I hope he makes a full and speed recovery.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Rusty6149 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:40 am
This suggests that there needs to be a re-examination of the junction, to reduce speed and increase road user attention. A mandatory STOP sign from the Point Walter car park, and speed bumps immediately preceding the junction on Bourke Drive would maybe help in this.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby outnabike » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:22 am
I reckon something needs fixing alright. What gets me is in this case, you didn't need a stop sign; the motorist stopped for 9 seconds. This blokes eye sight is the problem, it is vehicle oriented and specific. Doesn't worry about bicycles. Might be concentration?Rusty6149 wrote:Rather than comment on incident itself, I'd like to draw attention to the the statistic pulled out in the report that 5 other incidents involving cyclists have been reported at the same location. This would indicate that this is a particularly bad black spot on what is part of the popular "around the river" ride.
This suggests that there needs to be a re-examination of the junction, to reduce speed and increase road user attention. A mandatory STOP sign from the Point Walter car park, and speed bumps immediately preceding the junction on Bourke Drive would maybe help in this.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Bartek » Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:47 pm
outnabike wrote:I reckon something needs fixing alright. What gets me is in this case, you didn't need a stop sign; the motorist stopped for 9 seconds. This blokes eye sight is the problem, it is vehicle oriented and specific. Doesn't worry about bicycles. Might be concentration?
I agree, the common denominator in most incidents of this type is lack of driver concentration (distraction) that will not be improved by speed humps and alteration of the junction. Drivers need to be trained/made to concentrate on the most important task at hand (controlling the vehicle) or they should be removed from the road.
Scott_C no worries, I was a little concerned as there seems to be a definite trend on some forums and definitely in the media and legal system to 'excuse' the driver by finding some way to apportion some blame to the rider.
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Re: Cyclist Hit by Car in Attadale
Postby Dirty32 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:40 pm
That was my immediate concern, and probably why I took exception to the comment in my previous post.Bartek wrote:Scott_C no worries, I was a little concerned as there seems to be a definite trend on some forums and definitely in the media and legal system to 'excuse' the driver by finding some way to apportion some blame to the rider.
All too often recently, people that dont cycle (or are involved in any recreational activity whereby someone is hurt) or that just dont like cyclists seem to be eager to apportion blame to an injured victim by citing irrelevant data, that they somehow excuse a suspect from what they've done.
Thank you for clearing that up Scott_C.
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