Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby 446006 » Wed May 27, 2015 5:07 pm
Heading home the guy in the Blue bike Red Pannier is a little too fast to keep up with usually around 5.45pm heading out of the city South PSP. Theres a few others I generally can tag onto whom do signal and usually ok with towing a crowd behind In any case Im indifferent to pedal or electric power. Just happy to get home and to work safely considering the amount of craziness on the roads these days!
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby Robinho » Wed May 27, 2015 6:16 pm
Love the guy on the cruiser, just the right speed to draft easily and be going faster than you would on your own446006 wrote:I frequently draft behind a dude on one of those low ride cruiser bikes heading North PSP into the city around 8am.
Heading home the guy in the Blue bike Red Pannier is a little too fast to keep up with usually around 5.45pm heading out of the city South PSP. Theres a few others I generally can tag onto whom do signal and usually ok with towing a crowd behind In any case Im indifferent to pedal or electric power. Just happy to get home and to work safely considering the amount of craziness on the roads these days!
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
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Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby Thoglette » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:11 pm
I know where he bought his kit. Anyway, good luck getting the plod to pay attention. Perhaps get a councilor in the area to complain to Mr Plod. Drag the local community rag into it too for maximum effectjlh wrote:I saw this half-wit (pictured above)
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Postby fvh » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:00 pm
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby Hutcho » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:18 pm
I'm pretty sure this guys parks his bike in the Central Park office tower. Dresses up like he's on a motorbike. May leave a message on his bike referring to the online sensation he's caused...!fvh wrote:The guy that flew past me and another rider whom I've seen a few times before on the PSP rides the black cruiser style with full black helmet and a windcheater. Again, no warning bells or lights etc. Was doing at least 60kph about 5:30pm on Friday 28 May heading South towards Canning Bridge. I think one day a disgruntled person (not myself) is going to strategically place something on the path to stop him in his tracks, as his movements are like clock work and easy to id him.
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby 446006 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:35 pm
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby cj7hawk » Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:47 pm
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby RoFlmaTiC » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:27 pm
Heresy!!!
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby cj7hawk » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:41 pm
They have a special class for it though.... ummm.. KOM or something. Not sure what it stands for... Probably dutch in origin.RoFlmaTiC wrote:PABs on Strava?
Heresy!!!
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Postby Bunged Knee » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:48 pm
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby lobstermash » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:18 pm
Lack of enforcement is more likely due to the lack of priority among other policing issues. If overpowered ebikes start grabbing their attention, you can bet they'll be checking them. It's not that hard to figure out whether an ebike is a power assisted bicycle or an unregisterable motor vehicle, based on the speed it's traveling in relation to the pedal input from the user.Comedian wrote:IS the problem that there isn't really a way of testing power output other than looking for a sticker?
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby bychosis » Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:23 pm
I saw a MTB shaped bike with the rider sitting and pedalling easily up a decent hill at what looked like 30km/h recently. A sure sign it's way more than the legal power.
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby cj7hawk » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:51 pm
500w peak power bicycles are legal in every state except WA AFAIK, so it's entirely possible that they are being advertised legitimately.bychosis wrote:a local business is sdvertising e-bikes on Gumtree. 500W and legal mentioned in one go. Now they might be selling the legal ones and the 500W ones but it certainly reads like they will sell you a 500W legal ride. Unless you know the real rules the merchant can pretty much tell you anything and you can believe it. As the price comes down more and more will appear.
I saw a MTB shaped bike with the rider sitting and pedalling easily up a decent hill at what looked like 30km/h recently. A sure sign it's way more than the legal power.
30kph "easily" up a hill is probably a good sign of an illegal bicycle though.
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby bychosis » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:00 pm
So if they are legal they shouldn't be advertised as 500w power, this will just lead to the proverbial contest outgunning the other guy on peak power and we'll end up with more overpowered bikes that people think are legal because they've been told so.cj7hawk wrote:500w peak power bicycles are legal in every state except WA AFAIK, so it's entirely possible that they are being advertised legitimately.bychosis wrote:a local business is sdvertising e-bikes on Gumtree. 500W and legal mentioned in one go. Now they might be selling the legal ones and the 500W ones but it certainly reads like they will sell you a 500W legal ride. Unless you know the real rules the merchant can pretty much tell you anything and you can believe it. As the price comes down more and more will appear.
I saw a MTB shaped bike with the rider sitting and pedalling easily up a decent hill at what looked like 30km/h recently. A sure sign it's way more than the legal power.
30kph "easily" up a hill is probably a good sign of an illegal bicycle though.
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:20 pm
My understanding was that in Oz** power assist is limited to 250W with WA (absurdly, pointlessly and disruptively) being an exception on 200w which has since been bought to 250W in line with others.cj7hawk wrote:500w peak power bicycles are legal in every state except WA AFAIK, so it's entirely possible that they are being advertised legitimately.
(**When referring to the collective Oz I sometimes have exempt Queensland which can and does do whatever it feels like doing according to whatever the wind is doing every morning it awakes from slumber.)
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby cj7hawk » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:37 pm
As far as I am aware ( and I guess I should check this isn't the case in other states too ) - WA is the only state that has implemented the new standard "250w Continuous Maximum" with the provision, "250w MAXIMUM"... And having checked this with the DoT it doesn't reference the standard, so can be taken in the same was as the 200w standard... How that will be ratified in the end is something for the courts to eventually figure out if it ever makes it to court.ColinOldnCranky wrote:My understanding was that in Oz** power assist is limited to 250W with WA (absurdly, pointlessly and disruptively) being an exception on 200w which has since been bought to 250W in line with others.cj7hawk wrote:500w peak power bicycles are legal in every state except WA AFAIK, so it's entirely possible that they are being advertised legitimately.
(**When referring to the collective Oz I sometimes have exempt Queensland which can and does do whatever it feels like doing according to whatever the wind is doing every morning it awakes from slumber.)
An interesting situation arises from this - because under EN15194, there's Maximum Continuous and Maximum ( otherwise known as peak ) - and they are different. Maximum or Peak would be around 500W to 1000W for many Pedalecs, and in Sydney, they have already tested Pedalecs that produced, on the record, 600W and were deemed legal... So unless a Pedalec goes faster than 25kph with assistance, it's pretty much legal in NSW at any power, and likely to be legal in every other state except WA.
In WA it's likely to be ignored, but is technically illegal.... So unless someone has an accident and the prosecutor has a reason to go after them, I doubt it will ever come up.
It's not a huge issue, because, power aside, it's still got to cut the motor entirely by 25 kph, so enforcing it ( or testing ) is pretty easy.
What complicates the matter is that 200W PAPCs can push at any speed so long as it's under 200W - This means they can go a lot faster, but will need pedaling/tailwind/downhill to go any faster than about 25 kph...
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Re: Dangerously fast powered bikes on PSPs
Postby Lizzy » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:19 pm
Slight exaggeration, OK, but fast enough that he was a dot on the horizon by the time I was able to collect my thoughts. All I could tell you for sure is black backpack, upright posture and pedalling like crazy. I would conservatively estimate his speed at 70kph, and wouldn't be surprised if it was a lot more.
I've seen the black cruiser guy mentioned upthread but I don't think it was him - I see him most mornings coming north into the city, and he seemed to ride sensibly enough to me. This guy on the other hand - I don't think it's hubris to say he will kill someone.
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