City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

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Re: Who is responsible ?

Postby Thoglette » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:06 pm

Thoglette wrote:Who is responsible for enforcing the bus lanes in the CBD?
Seriously, is this a police matter, a CoP matter or a PTA matter? @city_womble?
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby CycleSnail » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:57 pm

rolandp wrote:
Roe St is then costing $2.5m. I hope this includes an overpass at Sutherland St, but given that CoP traffic light works have already occurred here in 2013 I will be surprised if we get the overpass. There is no original estimates for this work as it is not in the CoP Bike Implementation Plan.
The Roe Street connection to Thomas street has been a bone of contention for a few years. The cycling people I talk to judge the project as a waste of money if Sutherland is crossed at grade, but that is the current plan and spend....
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Re: Who is responsible ?

Postby Scott_C » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:06 pm

Thoglette wrote:
Thoglette wrote:Who is responsible for enforcing the bus lanes in the CBD?
Seriously, is this a police matter, a CoP matter or a PTA matter? @city_womble?
As it is a violation of the Road Traffic Code it is a police matter like any other road infringement.

Be aware that bus lanes, like bike lanes, have a number of conditions in which cars are legally allowed to drive in them for a limited distance (100m for bus lanes, 50m for bike lanes).

These exceptions are covered in Regulation 136 of the WA Road Traffic Code 2000.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:03 pm

Sinner wrote:Roland,

The $2.4m for Barrack Street cycle lanes is for the section being built as part of Elizabeth Quay from Riverside Drive to The Esplanade. The CoP two way scheme isn't spending $2.4m on their cycle lanes.
Copy from the forum topic Barracks St - where are the cycle lanes

Works and Urban Development Committee Agenda for CoP indicates:
$2.4 million dollars from the Perth Parking Management Fund has been allocated to the implementation of new on road cycle lanes along a key north south corridor on Barrack Street between Riverside Drive and St Georges Terrace.

If we compare this with CoP Bike Plan:
BarrackSt - between Riverside Drive and Wellington St – create on-road cycle lanes in north and south bound direction, treatment at various intersections for bicycle priority - $120,000

Elizabeth Quay should be re-instating Barrack St. Elizabeth Quay has project objectives to prioritise pedestrian/cycling, over cars. Elizabeth Quay project will be responsible to re-installing the shared path, so why not Barracks St near the Elizabeth Quay. The cycle lanes on Barracks St were originally approved back in 2009 by CoP but never build, even though CoP did convert this section into two-way. The maximum that should be coming out of the Perth Parking Management Fund is $120k, as well as the CoP would have carry over of these funds in their budget for the Bike Implementation Plan.

The Perth Parking Management Fund can then fund additional CAT buses, cycle paths, etc with the $2.4m.

Yes, technically it is coming from 'government funds', but when there is not enough funds to maintain and build new cycle paths etc, and there is the Perth Parking Management Fund which is not really been used to build bike lanes in the Perth CBD (try to name one) and it should be, then put Barracks St back the way it was by the Elizabeth Quay project, and pay CoP $120k to build the bike lanes.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:26 pm

CycleSnail wrote:
rolandp wrote:
Roe St is then costing $2.5m. I hope this includes an overpass at Sutherland St, but given that CoP traffic light works have already occurred here in 2013 I will be surprised if we get the overpass. There is no original estimates for this work as it is not in the CoP Bike Implementation Plan.
The Roe Street connection to Thomas street has been a bone of contention for a few years. The cycling people I talk to judge the project as a waste of money if Sutherland is crossed at grade, but that is the current plan and spend....
CycleSnail, isn't this a tad expensive? this section is around 1.5km. There is no intersection, with the exception of Sunderland where the road works have already occurred in 2013. So basically it is a shared path 1.5km long costing $2.7m ($200k for the design works in 2014/15 and $2.5m in 2015/16).

There is already available land (eg there are unused bus lanes which haven't been used since the bus bridge was built) so there will be no land acquisition required.

Looking at 2014/15 Local Government Grants, City of Armadale is building a 880m shared path for around $150k ($75k funded by State Government and $75k funded by Local Government). Why does it take $2.7m to build a 1.5km in Perth?

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby wellington_street » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:27 am

For $2.5 mil i cant see how we dont get a bridge over Sutherland St? Seems very excessive - must be a lot of service relocations involved?

The interface at the station also needs something like was done at Swanbourbe or Showgrounds otherwise we will end up with City West Mk 2

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby wellington_street » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:29 am

Wrt the change in costs for cycle lanes - scope creep. Its now part of a larger package of works which includes new signals and physical works etc.

The $120k would probably cover some red asphalt and a couple of head start boxes, utilising an existing traffic lane.

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Re: Who is responsible ?

Postby Thoglette » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:42 am

Scott_C wrote: Be aware that bus lanes, like bike lanes, have a number of conditions in which cars are legally allowed to drive in them for a limited distance (100m for bus lanes, 50m for bike lanes).
Thanks Scott.

Those exceptions need serious reconsideration in St Georges Tce with interblock lengths of less than 100m there's always an "excuse". Expecially as the entire bus lane is actually a bus bay for many 50m stretches.

It's one area & time where pushing private vehicles (ie all but busses and maybe taxis) would have a significant impact on "but public transport is so slow"
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby wellington_street » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:57 am

Instead of fining cyclists for riding on footpath to escape.death by motor vehicle, perhaps the police should have stood just after the intersection of St Georges and Sherwood and pinged anyone who drove straight ahead in the bus lane?

No CoP but there are always morons parked in the Beaufort St bus lane through Vincent. Also near the Court Hotel (which is CoP).

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby Thoglette » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:28 pm

wellington_street wrote:, perhaps the police should have stood just after the intersection of St Georges and Sherwood and pinged anyone who drove straight ahead in the bus lane?
Agreed - I've just checked and that's just over 100m of bus lane by the time you're at the first bus stand :twisted:
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:35 pm

So we all put in the hard work recording issues, making comments and uploading photos. Guess what, the photos are no longer there, and the comments look like they have been truncated.

But in addition from the site
A draft Integrated Transport Strategy will be developed over June-August 2015, and presented to Council before being available for public review and input.


We are now in Nov 2015, anyone seen the draft?

And also from the site:
Feedback on the Draft Integrated Transport Strategy will be reviewed and used to create a final strategy that will be submitted to Council for endorsement towards the end of 2015.
Going to make it challenge, if the Draft hasn't been released and we need to provide feedback, which then has to be endorsed by the Council in the next 6 weeks.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:23 pm

Draft Integrated Transport Strategy going up to the CoP Planning Meeting tonight.
Bike issue spots represented 49 % of all issues on the map. Of these issues, ‘unsafe bicycle lanes’ was the most popular definition (52 spots), followed by ‘other’ (38 spots) and ‘no bicycle lanes’ (31 spots). Issues raised in the ‘other’ category covered a range of topics such as poor traffic light signalling and conflict with other user groups.

It is noted that cycling issues in particular attracted a significant amount of attention on the map, which is potentially a result of the relatively well mobilised cycling lobby, and the extent to which the map was shared among cycling advocacy groups.
Anyone aware of any cycling advocacy group who shared links to the map?

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby Thoglette » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:55 pm

Interesting point is that the PITS shows William St not-a-cycling route (only a public transport route) but shows King St as a cycling route, despite currently being one-way. There's a little disconnect between the map (p16); the numbered objectives (p15) and the summary objectives (p36) but not too much.

I do like their preferred light rail option (St Georges) and their understanding of induced demand .
rolandp wrote:Anyone aware of any cycling advocacy group who shared links to the map?
What advocacy groups? :shock:
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby Aushiker » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:32 pm

rolandp wrote:Anyone aware of any cycling advocacy group who shared links to the map?
Not a group but I would have pushed it via various fora including Facebook and Reddit :)

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby Sinner » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:48 am

You were waiting for this: http://engage.perth.wa.gov.au/transport

4.3 is all about Cycling. Looking at the map compared to the Cycle Plan, there's still a lot to do.

Responses by 28 May.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:02 pm

Would it have been that hard to sent out an email to those who had previously contributed to let them know additional feedback is now required. Very poor on the City of Perth for not undertaking.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Tue May 24, 2016 9:31 pm

Sinner wrote:You were waiting for this: http://engage.perth.wa.gov.au/transport

4.3 is all about Cycling. Looking at the map compared to the Cycle Plan, there's still a lot to do.

Responses by 28 May.


Bump on this one. Responses close 28 May. The CoP give you a text box to enter your comments.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby Red Rider » Thu May 26, 2016 6:06 pm

The close date mentioned on the website is 27th May.

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby rolandp » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:22 pm

Hi, now it is Department of Transport's turn and are currently running Perth Greater Transport Plan, where once again we get to provide feedback about travelling in Perth CBD, and to place markers on a map identifying transport challenges including cycling. For more details, see:
Dot's Perth Greater CBD Transport Plan Public Consolidation

If you want to remind yourselves what you entered into the CoP Integrated Transport Study, then see the 2015/16 data here:
CoP 2015/16 Integrated Transport Study

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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study

Postby Thoglette » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:14 pm

Well, I've had one comment (apparently) removed by the moderator within three minutes of making it.
Apparently one can't say things about the Perth Arena management (AFAI can tell - the UI is pretty sucky)
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