Seriously, is this a police matter, a CoP matter or a PTA matter? @city_womble?Thoglette wrote:Who is responsible for enforcing the bus lanes in the CBD?
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Re: Who is responsible ?
Postby Thoglette » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:06 pm
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby CycleSnail » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:57 pm
The Roe Street connection to Thomas street has been a bone of contention for a few years. The cycling people I talk to judge the project as a waste of money if Sutherland is crossed at grade, but that is the current plan and spend....rolandp wrote:
Roe St is then costing $2.5m. I hope this includes an overpass at Sutherland St, but given that CoP traffic light works have already occurred here in 2013 I will be surprised if we get the overpass. There is no original estimates for this work as it is not in the CoP Bike Implementation Plan.
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Re: Who is responsible ?
Postby Scott_C » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:06 pm
As it is a violation of the Road Traffic Code it is a police matter like any other road infringement.Thoglette wrote:Seriously, is this a police matter, a CoP matter or a PTA matter? @city_womble?Thoglette wrote:Who is responsible for enforcing the bus lanes in the CBD?
Be aware that bus lanes, like bike lanes, have a number of conditions in which cars are legally allowed to drive in them for a limited distance (100m for bus lanes, 50m for bike lanes).
These exceptions are covered in Regulation 136 of the WA Road Traffic Code 2000.
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby rolandp » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:03 pm
Copy from the forum topic Barracks St - where are the cycle lanesSinner wrote:Roland,
The $2.4m for Barrack Street cycle lanes is for the section being built as part of Elizabeth Quay from Riverside Drive to The Esplanade. The CoP two way scheme isn't spending $2.4m on their cycle lanes.
Works and Urban Development Committee Agenda for CoP indicates:
$2.4 million dollars from the Perth Parking Management Fund has been allocated to the implementation of new on road cycle lanes along a key north south corridor on Barrack Street between Riverside Drive and St Georges Terrace.
If we compare this with CoP Bike Plan:
BarrackSt - between Riverside Drive and Wellington St – create on-road cycle lanes in north and south bound direction, treatment at various intersections for bicycle priority - $120,000
Elizabeth Quay should be re-instating Barrack St. Elizabeth Quay has project objectives to prioritise pedestrian/cycling, over cars. Elizabeth Quay project will be responsible to re-installing the shared path, so why not Barracks St near the Elizabeth Quay. The cycle lanes on Barracks St were originally approved back in 2009 by CoP but never build, even though CoP did convert this section into two-way. The maximum that should be coming out of the Perth Parking Management Fund is $120k, as well as the CoP would have carry over of these funds in their budget for the Bike Implementation Plan.
The Perth Parking Management Fund can then fund additional CAT buses, cycle paths, etc with the $2.4m.
Yes, technically it is coming from 'government funds', but when there is not enough funds to maintain and build new cycle paths etc, and there is the Perth Parking Management Fund which is not really been used to build bike lanes in the Perth CBD (try to name one) and it should be, then put Barracks St back the way it was by the Elizabeth Quay project, and pay CoP $120k to build the bike lanes.
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby rolandp » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:26 pm
CycleSnail, isn't this a tad expensive? this section is around 1.5km. There is no intersection, with the exception of Sunderland where the road works have already occurred in 2013. So basically it is a shared path 1.5km long costing $2.7m ($200k for the design works in 2014/15 and $2.5m in 2015/16).CycleSnail wrote:The Roe Street connection to Thomas street has been a bone of contention for a few years. The cycling people I talk to judge the project as a waste of money if Sutherland is crossed at grade, but that is the current plan and spend....rolandp wrote:
Roe St is then costing $2.5m. I hope this includes an overpass at Sutherland St, but given that CoP traffic light works have already occurred here in 2013 I will be surprised if we get the overpass. There is no original estimates for this work as it is not in the CoP Bike Implementation Plan.
There is already available land (eg there are unused bus lanes which haven't been used since the bus bridge was built) so there will be no land acquisition required.
Looking at 2014/15 Local Government Grants, City of Armadale is building a 880m shared path for around $150k ($75k funded by State Government and $75k funded by Local Government). Why does it take $2.7m to build a 1.5km in Perth?
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby wellington_street » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:27 am
The interface at the station also needs something like was done at Swanbourbe or Showgrounds otherwise we will end up with City West Mk 2
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby wellington_street » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:29 am
The $120k would probably cover some red asphalt and a couple of head start boxes, utilising an existing traffic lane.
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Re: Who is responsible ?
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:42 am
Thanks Scott.Scott_C wrote: Be aware that bus lanes, like bike lanes, have a number of conditions in which cars are legally allowed to drive in them for a limited distance (100m for bus lanes, 50m for bike lanes).
Those exceptions need serious reconsideration in St Georges Tce with interblock lengths of less than 100m there's always an "excuse". Expecially as the entire bus lane is actually a bus bay for many 50m stretches.
It's one area & time where pushing private vehicles (ie all but busses and maybe taxis) would have a significant impact on "but public transport is so slow"
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby wellington_street » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:57 am
No CoP but there are always morons parked in the Beaufort St bus lane through Vincent. Also near the Court Hotel (which is CoP).
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:28 pm
Agreed - I've just checked and that's just over 100m of bus lane by the time you're at the first bus standwellington_street wrote:, perhaps the police should have stood just after the intersection of St Georges and Sherwood and pinged anyone who drove straight ahead in the bus lane?
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby rolandp » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:35 pm
But in addition from the site
A draft Integrated Transport Strategy will be developed over June-August 2015, and presented to Council before being available for public review and input.
We are now in Nov 2015, anyone seen the draft?
And also from the site:
Feedback on the Draft Integrated Transport Strategy will be reviewed and used to create a final strategy that will be submitted to Council for endorsement towards the end of 2015.
Going to make it challenge, if the Draft hasn't been released and we need to provide feedback, which then has to be endorsed by the Council in the next 6 weeks.
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby rolandp » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:23 pm
Bike issue spots represented 49 % of all issues on the map. Of these issues, ‘unsafe bicycle lanes’ was the most popular definition (52 spots), followed by ‘other’ (38 spots) and ‘no bicycle lanes’ (31 spots). Issues raised in the ‘other’ category covered a range of topics such as poor traffic light signalling and conflict with other user groups.
Anyone aware of any cycling advocacy group who shared links to the map?It is noted that cycling issues in particular attracted a significant amount of attention on the map, which is potentially a result of the relatively well mobilised cycling lobby, and the extent to which the map was shared among cycling advocacy groups.
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby Thoglette » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:55 pm
I do like their preferred light rail option (St Georges) and their understanding of induced demand .
What advocacy groups?rolandp wrote:Anyone aware of any cycling advocacy group who shared links to the map?
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby Aushiker » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:32 pm
Not a group but I would have pushed it via various fora including Facebook and Redditrolandp wrote:Anyone aware of any cycling advocacy group who shared links to the map?
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby Sinner » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:48 am
4.3 is all about Cycling. Looking at the map compared to the Cycle Plan, there's still a lot to do.
Responses by 28 May.
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby rolandp » Tue May 24, 2016 9:31 pm
Sinner wrote:You were waiting for this: http://engage.perth.wa.gov.au/transport
4.3 is all about Cycling. Looking at the map compared to the Cycle Plan, there's still a lot to do.
Responses by 28 May.
Bump on this one. Responses close 28 May. The CoP give you a text box to enter your comments.
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby rolandp » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:22 pm
Dot's Perth Greater CBD Transport Plan Public Consolidation
If you want to remind yourselves what you entered into the CoP Integrated Transport Study, then see the 2015/16 data here:
CoP 2015/16 Integrated Transport Study
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Re: City of Perth Integrated Transport Study
Postby Thoglette » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:14 pm
Apparently one can't say things about the Perth Arena management (AFAI can tell - the UI is pretty sucky)
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