Don't forget were talking Perth CBD. I don't observe 50% plus car drivers 'behaving dangerously' but do see many many bike riders ...Perth CBD...'behaving dangerously' and ignoring basic road rules in front of all other road users. Its does set a bad example and does not make other road users feel warm and cuddly towards bike ridersgrimbo wrote:I've yet to hear a car driver say that because some other driver was seen behaving dangerously, it brings themselves and all car drivers into disrepute.
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Postby Talks_to_Swans » Fri May 01, 2015 2:05 pm
I reckon 50% of the drivers going round the Elizabeth Quay site go through the amber phase when presented with one. Drivers are less likely to disobey the rules because the road layout in the city is designed to speed their progress, whereas for cyclists no thought has been given to road layout or light phasing for their benefit.NASHIE wrote:Don't forget were talking Perth CBD. I don't observe 50% plus car drivers 'behaving dangerously' but do see many many bike riders ...Perth CBD...'behaving dangerously' and ignoring basic road rules in front of all other road users. Its does set a bad example and does not make other road users feel warm and cuddly towards bike ridersgrimbo wrote:I've yet to hear a car driver say that because some other driver was seen behaving dangerously, it brings themselves and all car drivers into disrepute.
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Postby eldavo » Fri May 01, 2015 2:37 pm
He's in a system not designed for him and making safe progress (he is not a large object of rapid speed change and tonnes of mass) and taking penalty units risk to do so.
I don't expect any penalty units will change the negligible reality to motivate any behavioural change.
On a Friday note, this weekend there will be several hundred domestic violence calls to the Police in every metro region. Maybe they'll get him for DV =P
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Postby jlh » Fri May 01, 2015 2:52 pm
NASHIE wrote:Got nothing more to add, other than i hope that the guys doing the wrong thing get tickets and change their ways. 1HR ago, Wellington St....roadie, filtered through the traffic....pulled in front of me at the red light .....rode off through the flashing pedestrian (red light) and processed to own the lane at 30kph, and some of you wonder why you get verbal abuse
I agree, why add fuel to the car v cyclist argument fire by disobeying the road rules. If you want to be treated with respect then act with respect.
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Postby NASHIE » Fri May 01, 2015 3:19 pm
Taking to myself again....eldavo there's nothing wrong with having opinion mate. leave your posts up
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Postby jaseyjase » Fri May 01, 2015 3:55 pm
In my view this isnt as black and white as you may like to think it is.
I follow the road rules 99% of the time, but if doing so puts myself in what i feel will be a risky situation, my common sense will prevail.
Im not advocating blindly blowing through red lights, but if i can get the jump and create some space, traffic dosnt have to 'wait' and the space means they can change lanes more easily rather then feeling 'blocked'. This is more for narrow lanes ie charles st.
If traffic is backed up at the lights by more than 10 cars, you can be damn sure im not gonna sit there in queue, id rather lane split to the lights and clear that traffic jam instead of being sandwiched between 1tonne piles of metal who are already annoyed at being stuck in traffic.
Ill keep left, but im not riding in the gutter, and i dont ride in the middle obviously!
So as TG said it, ill ride to survive.
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Postby wellington_street » Fri May 01, 2015 4:07 pm
I often ponder going on the ped green when I'm at the front of the queue - it's the whole 'obeying the road rules' vs getting up to speed quicker so that I'm less of an obstruction to the lead-foots. At least with the former I am presenting myself to other road users as someone respectful of road rules and hopefully getting that respect back.
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Postby grimbo » Fri May 01, 2015 4:12 pm
I don't disagree, it's not a good look when multiple cyclists disobey the road rules like they don't apply to them, however ...NASHIE wrote:Don't forget were talking Perth CBD. I don't observe 50% plus car drivers 'behaving dangerously' but do see many many bike riders ...Perth CBD...'behaving dangerously' and ignoring basic road rules in front of all other road users. Its does set a bad example and does not make other road users feel warm and cuddly towards bike ridersgrimbo wrote:I've yet to hear a car driver say that because some other driver was seen behaving dangerously, it brings themselves and all car drivers into disrepute.
Every day I see cars blow through orange-turning-red lights or just-turned-red lights. It seems to have gotten to the point of "normal accepted behavior in a car". The consequences could be deadly. I wish I saw our fellow motorists wringing their hands over their fellow drivers putting others at risk. That's why it always slightly erks me when we wring our hands over fellow cyclists putting themselves at risk, while worrying about how it "appears".
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Postby Thoglette » Fri May 01, 2015 4:14 pm
So you are saying that waiting five more seconds for the lights to go green is "risky"?jaseyjase wrote:I follow the road rules 99% of the time, but if doing so puts myself in what i feel will be a risky situation
And how is this relevant to issue at hand? That's perfectly legit.jaseyjase wrote:If traffic is backed up at the lights by more than 10 cars, you can be damn sure im not gonna sit there in queue...
So you've made arrangements for the personal injury claim from the pedestrian you will eventually hit?Talks_to_Swans wrote:I live in the city and I'm under instructions from the wife to cycle on the pavement in the city
As, odds-on your insurer is not going to pay out.
Well write your your MP and to the paper and your favourite shock jock.grimbo wrote: Every day I see cars blow through orange-turning-red lights or just-turned-red lights. It seems to have gotten to the point of "normal accepted behavior in a car". The consequences could be deadly. I wish I saw our fellow motorists wringing their hands over their fellow drivers putting others at risk.
We can't use other's bad behaviour to excuse ours. It's a logical fallacy & won't help our cause at all.
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Postby jaseyjase » Fri May 01, 2015 4:29 pm
I wasnt referring specifically to the wellington/miligan intersection, ive admitted theres no real benefit in jumping the lights there, or anywhere else within the cbd to be honest because of the proximity of lights and general speed of traffic.Thoglette wrote:So you are saying that waiting five more seconds for the lights to go green is "risky"?
But one area where i will almost always jump the red is the Dog Swamp intersection of Flinders/Wanneroo Rd/Charles St, the entry to charles is narrow, and ive been shaved too many times that i care to be remember. In this instance i will jump the red coming from flinders, to ensure i get the green at the entry into charles st. The uphill and traffic lights make it a slower start then normal and thus a situation id rather not put myself in.
I was simply replying to Nashie's comment about keeping your place in the queue, my reply was directly below Nashies.Thoglette wrote:And how is this relevant to issue at hand? You've confused me.
I think in general the issue at hand is following road rules for the sake of it. While i understand its to give cyclist the better image in hopes of getting the respect we need on the roads, i will continue to ride to survive.
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Postby Thoglette » Fri May 01, 2015 4:53 pm
Yup, that's one ugly, ugly intersection.jaseyjase wrote:But one area where i will almost always jump the red is the Dog Swamp intersection of Flinders/Wanneroo Rd/Charles St,
Other points taken.
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Postby CycleSnail » Fri May 01, 2015 5:27 pm
- a cyclist slowly crossing with pedestrians
- a cyclist not wearing a helmet
- a cyclist leaning with his hand on a stationary bus
- a cyclist riding down a footpath (what appeared to be reasonable speed)
4 police persons taking 4 hours to fine 19 people on bicycles. Or one fine per police person per hour.
That to me seems to indicate that the vast majority of bike riders obeyed the law at that location. And the ones that broke the law did not seem to endanger anybody, actually a couple appeared confused as to why they were picked up.
Imagine running a blitz on car drivers or pedestrians for the same duration...
Overall an benign picture of cycling in Perth, with some people getting a bit of education and/or a fine.
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Postby Aushiker » Sat May 02, 2015 12:06 pm
So can you please explain then how you know I ride within the law and appropriately and hence should be "treated with respect" or for that matter don't? How do you know about the next guy? How are the 100s of motorists who drive pass me as I commute to and from work meant to know?jlh wrote:I agree, why add fuel to the car v cyclist argument fire by disobeying the road rules. If you want to be treated with respect then act with respect.
What was I dong wrong here that didn't warrant respect? Is it because some other random rider did something "wrong" in her eyes and hence I hadn't earned this motor vehicle operators respect because I am on a bike?
How do I know when I am driving the bicycle rider is a good one warranting respect or not?
To be honest I don't give a damn about your or others "respect or otherwise", I don't know you or them and none of you have a clue about me. Just as if I come across you on the road I wouldn't have a clue about your riding or driving other than for those fleeting few moments so you know what I do? I actually value human life including yours, I value life irrespective of the transport mode; I do my best to ride and I drive with consideration of others irrespective of their transport mode. I prefer to contribute to getting those I come across getting home to their families and friends safely.
Not that hard really and guess what? No respect involved in my approach.
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Postby NASHIE » Sat May 02, 2015 2:27 pm
That happens on the road everyday, car, bike ,bus pulling in front of other motorist. I don't think she had it in for you .....just didn't see you for one of many reasons. For all we know you might of been signalling to turn left and then changed your mind ?. There are countless t-bone, rear-end etc crashes daily MV vs MVAushiker wrote:
What was I dong wrong here that didn't warrant respect? Is it because some other random rider did something "wrong" in her eyes and hence I hadn't earned this motor vehicle operators respect because I am on a bike?
How do I know when I am driving the bicycle rider is a good one warranting respect or not?
The one riding though the red light is the bad one ?
If you ride to the road rules then you show courtesy and respect to other road users everydayNot that hard really and guess what? No respect involved in my approach.
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Postby CycleSnail » Sun May 03, 2015 4:39 pm
Yep, this is my current guess.NASHIE wrote:Do you think this new law will apply to CBD footpaths ?
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Postby rolandp » Sun May 03, 2015 9:04 pm
Let's look at history and cycling in the CBD. Claisebrook Bridge was originally shared path. Following complaints from local residents, City of Perth put up a 'dismount sign'.CycleSnail wrote:Yep, this is my current guess.NASHIE wrote:Do you think this new law will apply to CBD footpaths ?
Mount St overpass, again cycling was not allowed and only allowed around 12 months ago.
Cycling through Hay and Murray St malls is part of the City of Perth Bike Plan - but is late in being implemented.
All it takes is a 'no cycling sign', and there goes the cycling on footpaths in the CBD.
On the other hand, converting a footpath to a shared path also only takes installing a 'shared path sign' - if the CoP had supported this concept, signs would have been installed years ago.
Time will tell.
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Postby roller » Mon May 04, 2015 7:38 am
It's like a going out of business saleCycleSnail wrote:Riding on footpaths will eventually be legalised, but in the meantime we have a "blitz on bike riders" where they get fined for doing something that is already acknowledged as being ok to do soon?
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Postby Thoglette » Mon May 04, 2015 9:02 am
"People are worthy of respect, ideas are not." Peter Ellerton, UQ
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