Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
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Postby wellington_street » Sun May 03, 2015 10:48 pm
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Postby worzel » Mon May 04, 2015 10:13 am
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Postby Karati » Mon May 04, 2015 12:35 pm
1. What happens when people start getting knocked down by bikes on footpaths?
2. What happens when people start getting knocked off bikes by reversing cars etc?
3. What happens to me when I start catching all the rage for not riding on the footpath?
Typical half thought out nonsense.
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Postby wellington_street » Mon May 04, 2015 12:47 pm
Same thing that happens now on shared paths in WA, and on footpaths in other states.Karati wrote:1. What happens when people start getting knocked down by bikes on footpaths?
Same thing that happens now on shared paths in WA, and on footpaths in other states.Karati wrote:2. What happens when people start getting knocked off bikes by reversing cars etc?
Children are most vulnerable to this sort of crash and they are already cycling on footpaths legally.
Same thing that happens now?Karati wrote:3. What happens to me when I start catching all the rage for not riding on the footpath?
It's not a radical change - it is basically legalising existing behaviour and removing a disincentive for new cyclists to give it a go. Further, it has already been in place for many years in Queensland, Tasmania, NT & ACT without a corresponding increase in incidents.Karati wrote:Typical half thought out nonsense.
Without knowing your particular routes, I would wager that you already ride on sections of "footpath" (i.e. any stretch of path without the correct legal signing).
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Re: Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
Postby nachoman » Mon May 04, 2015 1:27 pm
It is too early to say whether the Government will allow cyclists of any age to ride on footpaths to reduce road trauma, Police Minister Liza Harvey says.
“It’s too early at this point in time to say if this is definitely going to happen or where it might happen, but it is an option we are considering,” she said.
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Postby eldavo » Mon May 04, 2015 2:09 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-17/c ... ra/4759230" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Notice the headline difference between ABC and Ten on Youtube.
He was wearing a helmet. If only there was some other band-aid regulatory fix...
Nollamara has had massive increase in residential density with quarter acre blocks converting to multiple units per block.
While all this has happened, the set-back frontage has been eliminated, buildings pushed to the boundary with full height walls and no line of sight, you can see the old footpath remains adjacent to full height walls/fencing, rather than the curb-side wider footpaths required to go with such new high density re-development of old areas.
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Postby Thoglette » Mon May 04, 2015 3:55 pm
+ several.wellington_street wrote:It's not a radical change - it is basically legalising existing behaviour and removing a disincentive for new cyclists to give it a go.
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Postby Karati » Mon May 04, 2015 4:42 pm
But you are correct in that I'll just keep doing stuff the same as I always do. People shouldn't have to feel more unsafe in using the road legally and properly because of announcements like that is only going to give the idiot in the car more of an excuse.
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Postby Thoglette » Mon May 04, 2015 4:48 pm
+ several moreKarati wrote:But you are correct in that I'll just keep doing stuff the same as I always do.
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Postby Thoglette » Mon May 04, 2015 5:23 pm
ABC News 720 wrote: The move has been welcomed by Westcycle's chief executive Matt Fulton
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Postby NASHIE » Mon May 04, 2015 5:33 pm
91% of cyclists fear riding on the road.......really ? It must be a bigger problem than i thoughtThoglette wrote:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-04/w ... hs/6442966
ABC News 720 wrote: The move has been welcomed by Westcycle's chief executive Matt Fulton
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Postby flashpixx » Mon May 04, 2015 6:27 pm
Karati wrote: People shouldn't have to feel more unsafe in using the road legally and properly because of announcements like that is only going to give the idiot in the car more of an excuse.
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Re: Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
Postby bychosis » Mon May 04, 2015 7:57 pm
Let me guess, they surveyed cyclists on a weekend, on a cycle or sharepath?NASHIE wrote:91% of cyclists fear riding on the road.......really ? It must be a bigger problem than i thoughtThoglette wrote:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-04/w ... hs/6442966
ABC News 720 wrote: The move has been welcomed by Westcycle's chief executive Matt Fulton
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Postby AUbicycles » Mon May 04, 2015 9:35 pm
CycleSnail wrote:unlike some other advocacy groups who were unable to come up with clear support
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Postby hiflange » Mon May 04, 2015 10:14 pm
Along with many other folk I already ride footpaths without fear of being fined. I reckon that in WA the only place you're going to be bothered by plod on a footpath is St Georges Tce between Millagan St and Victoria Avenue, I am sincerely happy to be corrected on this assertion.
I've ridden the footpath adjacent to busy roads when I'm out with my son for many years (he's now 11). Without him, on Curtin Avenue, Tydeman Road or Leach Hwy I'll happily claim the lane but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone who can't sustain 30+kmh for a few k's.
Footpaths are uncomfortable, narrow and covered in driveways and pedestrians and dogs. And bins. And parked cars. Sand. And just like bike paths they are prone to sudden ends.
This law was overdue for fixing but if anyone thinks it makes anything but the lowest speed recreational cycling easier they are sorely mistaken. Sadly I suspect my unimaginative local member* thinks this could just save him having to stump up for actual proper cycling infrastructure.
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Re: Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
Postby citywomble » Tue May 05, 2015 12:56 am
The need for good quality primary and secondary routes, capable of carrying high or moderate levels of cyclists respectively, will require significant expenditure in the Perth metro area (I would estimate in the order of $600 million).
While providing a basic network, and with many routes traversing through residential suburbs, those suburbs (where everybody lives) will form the tertiary environment where less experienced cyclists will use a combination of roads and paths.
I sincerely hope that, rather than persuading anyone it is not worth stumping up for real infrastructure, the ability to use footpaths to close the gaps in the suburbs, to a proper network of primary and secondary routes, will actually promote more utility cycling and stimulate the investment in real infrastructure. Perhaps the 'unimaginative local member' might either try path riding themselves or have family or friends who do so and educate him/her on the benefits.
I only see positives here.
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Postby hiflange » Tue May 05, 2015 9:40 am
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Postby CycleSnail » Tue May 05, 2015 10:53 am
From memory the survey was done by the RAC, and made public during the RAC cyclings safety forums.bychosis wrote:Let me guess, they surveyed cyclists on a weekend, on a cycle or sharepath?NASHIE wrote:
91% of cyclists fear riding on the road.......really ? It must be a bigger problem than i thought
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Postby CycleSnail » Tue May 05, 2015 11:03 am
RobertFrith wrote:Alright, perhaps I was too quick to condemn. My point was that I don't think the current law presents any real obstacle to utility or recreational cyclists wanting to use footpaths. I may well be wrong, it will be interesting to see the changes. I still believe that there is a negative; that our Premier will think he's made a significant step in improving cyclists' safety. My concern is that it will remove some impetus for improving on road safety.
There are about fifty or so things that, when taken together, will create a better environment for people riding bicycles. And the infographic in the link is known to government. Riding on the footpath is on of the many things that needs to be done, and it is small fry, but why reject it? Did you know it was illegal to ride two abreast on the PSP? Also small fry, but if it can be removed from the regulations I would not complain.....
In effect this change will have little impact. Experienced riders will mostly stick to riding on the road and paths, and the rest of the population that might ride a bicycle on the footpath will continue to do so.
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Postby CycleSnail » Tue May 05, 2015 11:05 am
Thanks, I get that....AUbicycles wrote:CycleSnail wrote:unlike some other advocacy groups who were unable to come up with clear support
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Re: Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
Postby wellington_street » Tue May 05, 2015 11:07 am
To add to this, the current Premier won't be Premier for too much longer (election is, what, 2 years away?) so take this while its on offer and continue the push for the rest.CycleSnail wrote:RobertFrith wrote:Alright, perhaps I was too quick to condemn. My point was that I don't think the current law presents any real obstacle to utility or recreational cyclists wanting to use footpaths. I may well be wrong, it will be interesting to see the changes. I still believe that there is a negative; that our Premier will think he's made a significant step in improving cyclists' safety. My concern is that it will remove some impetus for improving on road safety.
There are about fifty or so things that, when taken together, will create a better environment for people riding bicycles. And the infographic in the link is known to government. Riding on the footpath is on of the many things that needs to be done, and it is small fry, but why reject it? Did you know it was illegal to ride two abreast on the PSP? Also small fry, but if it can be removed from the regulations I would not complain.....
In effect this change will have little impact. Experienced riders will mostly stick to riding on the road and paths, and the rest of the population that might ride a bicycle on the footpath will continue to do so.
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Re: Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
Postby wexford » Tue May 05, 2015 12:41 pm
It's certainly going to be difficult to manage. And if it doesn't wind up going ahead, or only haphazardly, then a positive to take from all of this is that more motorists will be made aware that we're often required to ride on the road.
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Re: Cyclists to be allowed to ride on any footpath
Postby redned » Wed May 06, 2015 1:52 pm
Almost all the accompanying footage was of cyclists on shared paths, not footpaths.
I don't think cyclists that currently ride on the road will jump onto the footpath.
It legitimises east-bound riders in Hay St West Perth (one way west-bound) that ride the footpath.
It might allow some who won't ride on the road to ride locally where they otherwise might not ride at all.
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Postby Jackfrost » Tue May 12, 2015 1:09 pm
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Postby CycleSnail » Wed May 13, 2015 10:21 am
+1Jackfrost wrote:This proposed law change won't make any difference to user behaviour. Those that ride on the road will continue to ride on the road and those that illegally ride on a footpath will legally ride on a footpath.
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