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Postby jlh » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:00 am
People have to realize the economy in WA its pretty bad right now and double digit increases in fees is not justifiable in my opinion.
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Re: expensive events
Postby dmwill » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:06 am
As OP said, some companies are still stuck in "the boom" mode, thinking they can charge a premium (traffic management crowds come to mind immediately).
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Re: expensive events
Postby r2160 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:12 am
"Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it lasts forever" Lance Armstrong
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Re: expensive events
Postby Jugga-Naught » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:10 am
The Dams are good fun , just getting silly with the price.
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Re: expensive events
Postby HappyHumber » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:26 pm
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Postby flashpixx » Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:22 am
I've done RTCC, MS Ride, doing TdG this weekend and working at ToMR, doing Jacaranda ride. Jacaranda ride is 40km and costs $25 I think.
Contemplating DAMS, I'm a BWA member so a little cheaper.
I've no idea of the costs incurred by organisers but if insurance is one of them, that is very expensive, and getting more so each year
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Re: expensive events
Postby Thoglette » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:31 am
May be not. But if the organisation has staff (CEO,CFO, reception, communications officer etc) and premises they need to find salaries and rent.r2160 wrote:the three peaks rides are $300. Given that there are 1800 riders, I ask myself "does it really cost $540000 to run this event . . ."
They're then big enough to sue, so need insurance. And as well as the premiums the insurers will want "best practice" in traffic management, ambulnace/first aid presence etc. etc.
All of which has to be paid for, before even thinking about "putting the event on'". And if your event is that big, you'll be running up some marketing expenses to ensure that the punters turn up in droves.
You and your mates can do "the three peaks" tomorrow,for nix. But it won't be THE three peaks. And if anything goes wrong, it's up to you to solve it. That's what you're paying for.
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Re: expensive events
Postby Parker » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:19 pm
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Re: expensive events
Postby MCHammer » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:50 pm
In contrast West Coast Masters charges $20 per race and $145 for annual membership with AVCC which includes race insurance. Well organised, traffic control and prize money. Road races in winter and once a month in Crit season, Crit races in summer and nearly every weekend.
ATTA is another club that offers great , well organised time trial events at a reasonable price.
I suppose it's a matter of choosing which events to ride, and while riders flock to the expensive events organisers will continue to increase entry fees.
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Re: expensive events
Postby rolandp » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:15 am
BWA's Annual Report for 2014 only reports event income of $473k, compare to $362k in 2013. Events cost for 2014 was $335k compared to $228k in 2013.r2160 wrote:the three peaks rides are $300. Given that there are 1800 riders, I ask myself "does it really cost $540000 to run this event . . ."
BWA's profit for 2014 was $26k compared to $45k in 2013.
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Re: expensive events
Postby rusty842 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:37 am
The report looks fine. 10k up in advertising. 100k up in event expenses with event income in similar amountsrolandp wrote:BWA's Annual Report for 2014 only reports event income of $473k, compare to $362k in 2013. Events cost for 2014 was $335k compared to $228k in 2013.r2160 wrote:the three peaks rides are $300. Given that there are 1800 riders, I ask myself "does it really cost $540000 to run this event . . ."
BWA's profit for 2014 was $26k compared to $45k in 2013.
The only thing from an outside person would be breakdowns of these incomes (is it pure volume) and expenses ( insurances, road traffic control).
A proportion of the expenses will always be linked to the extra riders however there are many sunk costs. Setting up traffic management would cost the same for 100 as would for 200 riders. There should be some efficiencies coming through soon.
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Re: expensive events
Postby diventare » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:55 pm
+1 and I did lots.Tornado wrote:The costs are getting a bit ridiculous. I do very few "paid for rides" now.
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Re: expensive events
Postby HappyHumber » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:07 pm
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Re: expensive events
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Re: expensive events
Postby Thoglette » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:29 am
Probably "secret sauce". At least they're honest enough to keep salaries out of the event costs. However I presume that there is some labour component to the event costsrusty842 wrote:The only thing from an outside person would be breakdowns of these incomes (is it pure volume) and expenses ( insurances, road traffic control).
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Re: expensive events
Postby rusty842 » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:37 am
This is true and yes they should pay for certain labour costs. That's our world.Thoglette wrote:Probably "secret sauce". At least they're honest enough to keep salaries out of the event costs. However I presume that there is some labour component to the event costsrusty842 wrote:The only thing from an outside person would be breakdowns of these incomes (is it pure volume) and expenses ( insurances, road traffic control).
As you mentioned these financials don't share anything.
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Re: expensive events
Postby HappyHumber » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:33 pm
RobertFrith wrote:Is insurance more expensive for competitive events? Certainly the timing technology is. If you're not focussed on beating other people Audax is well worth a look; scenic, challenging routes at a very low cost. Plus you get 24/7 insurance.
My only experience with Audax is in WA; so comparing to the Eastern States might be hard...
I don't know why more people don't give it a go. Part of me believes this this is due to calendar restrictions. The calendar is a classic case of trying to keep everyone happy though; what with varying ride lengths, qualification rides for upcoming bigger events and clashes with everything else going on in busy modern lives.
It can attract many people with a broad range of fitness and endurance. Depending on the turnout for any given ride, this kind of dictates more often than not how 'social' a ride can be. Similar ability and speed riders do tend to stick together. I know criticism I've heard in the past (locally) was that newcomers were left to complete things alone and not really sheparded or encouraged into the norms of the riding. The comment was "Why pay $16* for a ride they could've done themselves for free?"
I think some sort of rethinking for the Populaire rides of sub 200 K is really in order to improve retention rates.
* temporary, non-member entrance fee. Rides are $6 for Audax/CA members
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Re: expensive events
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:00 pm
I'm guessing that most posters on this forum are not having to ride bargain basement bikes and typically ride one or more that are in excess of $1500, $300 dollar sunnies just for the twice weekly ride, over priced gloves that are functionally identical to cheapies from k-mart and a lot more.
So while I see a social virtue in keeping prices down for all those others that ride more "affordable" bikes, and probably not often enough, by and large I think maybe there is a touch of entitlement here that is a little ironic.
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Re: expensive events
Postby flashpixx » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:55 pm
+1ColinOldnCranky wrote:I have no great affection or otherwise for events organisers. I just suck it up and pay for the rides that I choose to ride in appreciate that at least I get the chance.
I'm guessing that most posters on this forum are not having to ride bargain basement bikes and typically ride one or more that are in excess of $1500, $300 dollar sunnies just for the twice weekly ride, over priced gloves that are functionally identical to cheapies from k-mart and a lot more.
So while I see a social virtue in keeping prices down for all those others that ride more "affordable" bikes, and probably not often enough, by and large I think maybe there is a touch of entitlement here that is a little ironic.
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