I was not aware of a compulsion. Is it so in WA? (Strict letter of the law, not opinions or "beliefs".)Cyclists:
must ride in a bicycle lane if one is provided and in a reasonable condition for use
http://rsc.wa.gov.au/Topics/Cycling
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Postby warthog1 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:31 am
Sounds like your get out clause is "reasonable".
As they are often littered with puncture causing debris, populated with pedestrians, or placed in a door zone, it could be argued they are often unreasonable for safe use.
That's if they are similar to ours.
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Postby Cycleops70 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:33 am
Painted bike symbols on the road don't count.
And it must be re-posted after a junction. It does not automatically continue through.
ROAD TRAFFIC CODE 2000 - REG 213
213 . Riding in bicycle lane
Wherever a bicycle lane is provided as part of a carriageway, and is in a reasonable condition for use, a rider of a bicycle shall use that portion of a carriageway and no other.
Regulation 3 defines what a cycle lane is;
bicycle lane means a marked lane, or the part of a marked lane —
(a) beginning at a “bicycle lane” sign applying to the lane; and
(b) ending at the nearest of the following:
(i) an “end bicycle lane” sign applying to the lane;
(ii) an intersection (unless the lane is at the unbroken side of the continuing road at a T‑intersection or continued across the intersection by broken lines);
(iii) if the carriageway ends at a dead end — the end of the carriageway;
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Postby cj7hawk » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:38 am
I've sent an email off to the road safety commission asking if cars parked next to the cycle lane would render it not to be in a reasonable condition for use -Cycleops70 wrote:I'd prefer "practicable" clause, rather than "good condition", as the bike lane may be in excellent condition (smooth, clear of debris) but unsafe to use.
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Postby Scott_C » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:30 am
It isn't the worst of the wording changes from the national standard though as WA cyclists are not allowed to overtake on the left of vehicles that are about to turn left even if they aren't indicating the turn. i.e. we are legally required to be psychic to determine a vehicle is about to turn left.
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Postby wellington_street » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:42 pm
A few off the top of my head:worzel wrote:I assume this refers to dedicated cycle lanes on roads and does not mean you have to use a PSP rather than the road. (As I understand it, the shoulder is not really a cycle lane, though most treat it as one). That being the case, I cannot think of a single dedicated cycle lane on a road in any of the routes I take (north) other than Marmion northbound from Warwick Road. Where are they?
- Murray Street (1 block - Elder to Milligan)
- Hepburn Avenue east of Wanneroo Road
- Curtin Avenue south of Marine Parade
- Parry Street, Fremantle
- South Terrace past the hospital etc.
I'm sure there must be others??
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Postby koshari » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:58 pm
you could also inquire if the council feels fit to plant pear trees in the said lane if this is a reasonable condition.cj7hawk wrote:I've sent an email off to the road safety commission asking if cars parked next to the cycle lane would render it not to be in a reasonable condition for use -Cycleops70 wrote:I'd prefer "practicable" clause, rather than "good condition", as the bike lane may be in excellent condition (smooth, clear of debris) but unsafe to use.
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Postby softy » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:23 pm
Those "things" on the edge of the road with a white line and bicycle symbol are nothing but a shoulder of the road.
Yes i have seen a few labelled properly with;
Sign "bicycle lane"
Symbol with lane underneath
now most of them are not labelled properly as per the code, so mean nothing. The only one i have found in my travels is on the Reid hwy shoulder, installed by MRD.
so not really to much to worry about.
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Postby trailgumby » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:12 pm
Beg to differ.softy wrote:so not really to much to worry about.
Most motorists have no idea about the legal distinctions regarding <bike symbol> LANE signs. As far as they're concerned they're a bike lane and we MUST use them.
When the "bicycle shoulder lanes" (as the Council traffic engineer calls them) went in along the main drag through my suburb, I refused to use them due to dooring risk, preferring to stay out in the main thoroughfare between groups of parked cars rather than risk having to find non-existent space when a driver refused to yield me the buffer space I needed to get out of the door zone.
In the first few months punishment passes were a daily occurrence from drivers self-righteously taking it upon themselves to teach me a lesson for having the temerity to step out of my place.
Now that they are no longer new and have become a background feature, I am treated much better than when they were shiny and new.
Laughably, the lanes markings have pretty much worn off on left turning curves from being run over so much by passing drivers.
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Postby rolandp » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:50 pm
We can now add Barack St Perth to the list.wellington_street wrote:A few off the top of my head:worzel wrote:I assume this refers to dedicated cycle lanes on roads and does not mean you have to use a PSP rather than the road. (As I understand it, the shoulder is not really a cycle lane, though most treat it as one). That being the case, I cannot think of a single dedicated cycle lane on a road in any of the routes I take (north) other than Marmion northbound from Warwick Road. Where are they?
- Murray Street (1 block - Elder to Milligan)
- Hepburn Avenue east of Wanneroo Road
- Curtin Avenue south of Marine Parade
- Parry Street, Fremantle
- South Terrace past the hospital etc.
I'm sure there must be others??
There are a couple more in the Perth CBD, but when the risk of dooring can occur when you do use the cycle lane. The lane may be in 'reasonable condition', but the choice of being doored when riding in the cycle lane, or moving over to the road, I will take the road.
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Postby Cycleops70 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:20 am
Correct, shared paths are not compulsory.worzel wrote:I assume this refers to dedicated cycle lanes on roads and does not mean you have to use a PSP rather than the road. (As I understand it, the shoulder is not really a cycle lane, though most treat it as one). That being the case, I cannot think of a single dedicated cycle lane on a road in any of the routes I take (north) other than Marmion northbound from Warwick Road. Where are they?
Neither is anything on roads with or without a painted bike symbol.
It must have a posted sign to be mandatory.
However, it has quite rightly been pointed out that the vast majority of motorists do not have a clue of the road rules, and will happily teach you a lesson in their ignorance with their 1.5 tons of car.
There's a fine line between riding in a position to protect yourself & cutting your losses & removing yourself from the risk.
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Postby worzel » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:41 am
Agreed, though I am not sure substantially removing the risk is an option. It is all about assessing the risk and choosing the lesser of two evils when riding a bike generally, not just in respect of bike lane vs regular lane. It is oft discussed on here, but going through a red light a few seconds before it goes green, turning left on red etc winds up motorists but I believe is usually done on the grounds of safety rather than impatience. But it staggers me the risks I see people taking on bikes though. It it a daily event to be overtaken on a blind corner / crest, that I see someone narrowly miss getting hit by a car (Hutton St usually), someone pulls out of a side path without looking etc. Does the inherent danger in riding make you more willing to accept risks or is it only daredevils that ride bikes?Cycleops70 wrote:There's a fine line between riding in a position to protect yourself & cutting your losses & removing yourself from the risk.
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Postby Aushiker » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:13 pm
Hampton Road, Fremantlewellington_street wrote:A few off the top of my head:worzel wrote:I assume this refers to dedicated cycle lanes on roads and does not mean you have to use a PSP rather than the road. (As I understand it, the shoulder is not really a cycle lane, though most treat it as one). That being the case, I cannot think of a single dedicated cycle lane on a road in any of the routes I take (north) other than Marmion northbound from Warwick Road. Where are they?
- Murray Street (1 block - Elder to Milligan)
- Hepburn Avenue east of Wanneroo Road
- Curtin Avenue south of Marine Parade
- Parry Street, Fremantle
- South Terrace past the hospital etc.
I'm sure there must be others??
Port Beach Road, North Fremantle.
Ah a couple I can think off right off the top of my head.
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Postby Thoglette » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:05 pm
Aberdeen St Northbridge -not sure if it's fully, correctly "signed"wellington_street wrote: I'm sure there must be others??
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Postby citywomble » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:47 pm
These are fully compliant 1.5m wide bike lanes with an additional 0.5m painted buffer to increase separation by passing vehicles.
Worth looking at and, as they have been installed by Main Roads on a trial basis, if you approve of them let Main Roads know.
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Postby wellington_street » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:14 am
Nope Aberdeen is shoulder only. Nasty door zones too.Thoglette wrote:Aberdeen St Northbridge -not sure if it's fully, correctly "signed"wellington_street wrote: I'm sure there must be others??
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