our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

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our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby roller » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:30 am

Driverless electric bus to be trialled in WA:

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It looks so friendly, I just want to give it a hug.
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Postby Mububban » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:28 pm

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Postby Mububban » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:31 pm

But seriously folks....humans and our inattention and/or recklessness/anger cause traffic jams and accidents. Imagine driverless vehicles that don't speed, merge smoothly, don't run red lights, don't play with their phone when the light goes green keeping everyone waiting etc etc. Bring it on.
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Postby dmwill » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:51 pm

Unsure if that roll cage is reassuring or not.

No doubt makes it safer, but surely if there is a need for one, there is an increased risk/chance of a crash. Same reason certain motorsport disciplines with regular street cars require a cage.

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Postby Scott_C » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:40 pm

dmwill wrote:Unsure if that roll cage is reassuring or not.

No doubt makes it safer, but surely if there is a need for one, there is an increased risk/chance of a crash. Same reason certain motorsport disciplines with regular street cars require a cage.
Even if only driven on sealed roads the major mining companies require all their 4wd vehicles to be fitted with roll cages. Sometimes roll cages are a sign of a commitment to safety rather than a sign of increased risk.

For example, the Tesla Model S has pretty much the highest roof crush resistance of any sedan out there but with a low centre of gravity from the underfloor batteries it is considerably less likely to roll over than an average ICE sedan. Your argument would seem to suggest that we should expect to see Tesla's flipping over all the time because they have been built with stronger roofs than other sedans.

In the specific case of this driverless bus it may be cheaper to build it with an exposed roll cage, providing additional hand-holds for passengers, than engineering a concealed structure that conforms to the bodywork and offers less protection.

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Postby StevOz » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:52 pm

Baka!...No really not a good idea or a close to an ideal solution, so more join the unemployment line and these auto pilots are so vulnerable to software faults and hacking it just beggars belief it is even being considered. I'm still of the opinion we should never have replaced ticket collectors and inspectors with machines and question the real savings if any, at least when the ticket inspectors and collectors were there, there was little to no fare invasion and unsociable passengers would be evicted and dealt with.

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Postby softy » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:13 pm

This will happen and also with cars, it is just a matter of time. The tech is already here. The biggest hurdle is countries legislation like design regulations. Companies like Audi have already announced they can produce autonomous cars.

At least bikes will still be controlled by people.

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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby StevOz » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:28 pm

softy wrote:This will happen and also with cars, it is just a matter of time. The tech is already here. The biggest hurdle is countries legislation like design regulations. Companies like Audi have already announced they can produce autonomous cars.

At least bikes will still be controlled by people.
Really?..ebike+plug in mobile phone app set destination...no thanks...:p

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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby cj7hawk » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:54 am

You guys are looking at this the wrong way - It's a cycle-friendly vehicle.... :)

What more do you want?

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Postby Baalzamon » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:07 am

cj7hawk wrote:You guys are looking at this the wrong way - It's a cycle-friendly vehicle.... :)

What more do you want?

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Until someone hacks it..... Then it becomes a terror on the road
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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby piledhigher » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:22 am

Baalzamon wrote:
cj7hawk wrote:You guys are looking at this the wrong way - It's a cycle-friendly vehicle.... :)

What more do you want?

David
Until someone hacks it..... Then it becomes a terror on the road
Aren't cars/buses pretty much the ultimate insecure interface right now, there is nothing in the vehicle stopping any user with psychotic intentions.

That's the current terror on the road.

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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby cj7hawk » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:32 am

piledhigher wrote:
Baalzamon wrote:
cj7hawk wrote:You guys are looking at this the wrong way - It's a cycle-friendly vehicle.... :)

What more do you want?

David
Until someone hacks it..... Then it becomes a terror on the road
Aren't cars/buses pretty much the ultimate insecure interface right now, there is nothing in the vehicle stopping any user with psychotic intentions.

That's the current terror on the road.
That's absolutely correct.

Current vehicle control systems have an analogue wet-ware control system that implements a Hate Any Two-wheeled Entities ( HATE ) algorythm, that automatically detects cyclists and randomly implement one of several key programming functions, including must-get-in-front and sorry-mate-I-didn't-see-you and occasionally run-them-down. Not so good for us.

On the other hand, these driverless systems however use the Look-for Other Vulnerable Entities ( LOVE ) system. They see a bike? They slow or stop, and give way to the cyclist. I hear a rider doing a track-stand can keep one of these vehicles amused for hours.

Cool eh?

I can't wait for more driverless vehicles... Wait until you see the congestion they cause. And by congestion, I mean severe congestion where older wet-ware vehicles are forced to drive for an additional minute or two per hour to avoid them.

Sure, the driverless vehicles can be hacked, and after about fifteen minutes of trackstanding in front of them, the contents of these new vehicles will probably be hacking at the front windscreen with their bloodied fingers to get at you - this is a good time to ride off.

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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby Mububban » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:21 pm

Baalzamon wrote:Until someone hacks it..... Then it becomes a terror on the road
You Dark Lords, always so negative!
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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby billy70 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:59 am

cj7hawk wrote: Current vehicle control systems have an analogue wet-ware control system that implements a Hate Any Two-wheeled Entities ( HATE ) algorythm, that automatically detects cyclists and randomly implement one of several key programming functions, including must-get-in-front and sorry-mate-I-didn't-see-you and occasionally run-them-down. Not so good for us.

On the other hand, these driverless systems however use the Look-for Other Vulnerable Entities ( LOVE ) system. They see a bike? They slow or stop, and give way to the cyclist. I hear a rider doing a track-stand can keep one of these vehicles amused for hours.

Cool eh?

I can't wait for more driverless vehicles... Wait until you see the congestion they cause. And by congestion, I mean severe congestion where older wet-ware vehicles are forced to drive for an additional minute or two per hour to avoid them.

Sure, the driverless vehicles can be hacked, and after about fifteen minutes of trackstanding in front of them, the contents of these new vehicles will probably be hacking at the front windscreen with their bloodied fingers to get at you - this is a good time to ride off.

David
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Re: our problem buses could soon be a thing of the past

Postby Baalzamon » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:59 am

Mububban wrote:
Baalzamon wrote:Until someone hacks it..... Then it becomes a terror on the road
You Dark Lords, always so negative!
They need to do penetration testing on all smart things.... If penetration is successful that device should not be released to market until the holes are fixed. So will this driverless bus be penetration tested. Doubt it.

Lets see the list of what it would be programmed to recognised
Cars, animals, trucks, buses, pedestrians, cyclists, traffic lights, traffic signs, policeman directions. If one of those things got tweaked in recognition terms then the end results will be nothing short of injury. This is why the speed is stuck at 25kph :roll:
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