Cockup or vandalism?

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Cockup or vandalism?

Postby Sinner » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:24 am

Barrack Street today looks a mess. There's cr@p all over the bicycle lanterns and some idiot has spray painted all over the armadillos separating the cycle lanes from traffic. Main roads !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! up or vandalism?

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby nachoman » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:32 pm

Walked down this evening. Looks like they have re-painted the lane markings and lazily just painted over the armadillos

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby citywomble » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:09 am

Two mistakes here.

Firstly armadillos are not designed for installation on lines and are normally installed between two lines.

That way there is adequate warning of the armadillo that requires crossing a solid barrier line to hit one, the armadillo is not camouflaged by the line, and the lines can be repainted without affecting the armadillo.

Secondly, if the armadillo is installed over a line, it becomes difficult to repainted the line which, as in this case, then adversely affects the function of the armadillo as it overpaints the reflectors and contrasting colours. This provides an increased risk that the now concealed armadillo may cause an a cyclist to collide with one.

Because MRWA are responsible for the line marking (but the armadillos are provided by CoP) there is nothing in the line marking procedure for something that does not exist in the MRWA book of rules. Sadly, no thinking is expected, so the painting contractor has theoretically done nothing 'wrong' as he is doing exactly what the book says.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby Sinner » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:48 am

The armadillos are designed to be sat on lines. There are examples of them being at angles too, depending upon the situation.

We have been told that the armadillos on Barrack Street are part of a joint trial between Main Roads and the City of Perth, so the positioning etc. has been agreed. The lines were only painted in the last 6 months, so there should not have been a need to repaint them so soon.

The driver of the road marking truck knew exactly what he was doing, as he has a camera and screen to guide him to ensure he meets the existing line.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby biker jk » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:16 am

That's an accident waiting to happen. As mentioned, the armadillos are hidden by the white line. There's a hefty lawsuit waiting for the council/state government if a crash occurs.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby 방구 똥 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:08 am

I heard that someone from Main Roads came down because of it. :cry:

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby foz » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:01 pm

Hit that in the wet at the wrong angle..down someone will go..even in the dry they look iffy..

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby cj7hawk » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:10 pm

방구 똥 wrote:I heard that someone from Main Roads came down because of it. :cry:
What? Do you mean they fell of their bicycle?

That is not a good outcome - :( Are they OK?

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby AlMac » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:37 pm

Can't see what purpose they would ever serve.

If a bike hits them the likelihood is accident.

If a car hits them, by the time the driver reacts it's too late and the cyclist is hit anyway.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby dampier » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:23 am

Went through at 10 pm tonight, had a car pull in front of me 40m from the start of the armadillos. I went around the car and almost went straight through them. Unless you knew that they were there you would hit them, they are virtually invisible in the dark and wet.

Glad I read the forum, thanks Sinner.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby Sinner » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:41 am

City of Perth have now jet blasted the armadillos and so they are distinctive again. Not sure how luminous they are at night now.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby Timeonabike » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:10 pm

Anyone know how much these things cost?
To me they look like really expensive lumps of very ineffective plastic.
The sun'll make short work of these I reckon.

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby softy » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:58 pm

that whole street design is just awful!

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby wellington_street » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:35 pm

Timeonabike wrote:Anyone know how much these things cost?
To me they look like really expensive lumps of very ineffective plastic.
The sun'll make short work of these I reckon.

Cheers,

Time
Probably in the range of $50-$100 ea, depending on quantity purchased.

I note that City of Freo has removed the armadillos that were installed on Parry Street and replaced them with 'riley kerb'
http://www.tcaaustralia.com.au/kerb.html

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby dmwill » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:45 pm

I thought they were hard rubber?

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Re: Cockup or vandalism?

Postby Sinner » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:51 am

wellington_street wrote:I note that City of Freo has removed the armadillos that were installed on Parry Street and replaced them with 'riley kerb'
http://www.tcaaustralia.com.au/kerb.html
The problem with Riley kerb is that unless you add candle sticks to it, it is easy for cars to drive over it - it is less of a deterrent than armadillos. Having said that errant pedestrians are less likely to trip over Riley kerbs!

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