New transport blueprint - 2016

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New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby rolandp » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:56 am

The West reports this morning:
More bridges across the river - including some specifically for bikes

Wonder if this will include grade crossing at locations like Hutton St, which were identified in the 1996 Bike Plan.


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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby wellington_street » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:06 pm

Three Points bridge looks like a great concept - the sort of bridge that could revolutionise both commuting and recreational cycling in the western suburbs.

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby Aushiker » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:29 pm

No Tydeman Road/Fremantle connectivity solution :(

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby wellington_street » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:34 pm

Aushiker wrote:No Tydeman Road/Fremantle connectivity solution :(
it isn't shown on the map but the Technical Report does say this;
3. The Way Forward
3.1 Completing/expanding the PSP Network
The PSP network forms, and will continue to form, the backbone of Perth’s cycling
network. Between now and 2031 it is important that gaps present within the existing
PSP network are completed. These include:
 Fremantle Railway PSP
 Grant Street – Fremantle Station

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby Wezz » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:37 pm

While this bridge looks interesting upfront - I don't think it works for what Perth needs as it does not connect to any established infrastructure at any of its 3 points.

I'm much more excited by the grant street to Fremantle station path, new proposed Herrison island bridge and other routes filling in the gaps in existing infrastructure.

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby Aushiker » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:15 pm

wellington_street wrote:
Aushiker wrote:No Tydeman Road/Fremantle connectivity solution :(
it isn't shown on the map but the Technical Report does say this;
3. The Way Forward
3.1 Completing/expanding the PSP Network
The PSP network forms, and will continue to form, the backbone of Perth’s cycling
network. Between now and 2031 it is important that gaps present within the existing
PSP network are completed. These include:
 Fremantle Railway PSP
 Grant Street – Fremantle Station
That is nothing new I am afraid and if nothing less encouraging as it seems that we are looking at any time up to 2031. There had been some positive noises suggesting at least Grant Street to North Fremantle in a more timely timeframe. Given the work by the City of Fremantle I would have hoped for a substantive statement re Tydeman Road. The lack of it suggests that it is not on the agenda.

Proposing bridges over the Swan when there is a bleeding obvious pressing need on safety grounds alone in North Fremantle which does not get a mention should be of serious concern, more so given it is Barnett's own electorate.

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby rolandp » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:31 pm

No grade crossing at Cedric St:
Mitchell Freeway PSP 
Scarborough Beach Road – Hutton Street 
Civic Place – Erindale Road 
Upgrade the cycling infrastructure between Reid Highway and Ocean Reef Road to PSP Standard 
Burns Beach Road – Hester Avenue (as part of the Mitchell Freeway extension)

As I posted to WestCycle and BWA via facebook, where is the schedule for these projects. Majority of projects were already identified in the WABPN (and the 1996 Bike Plan), and required a scheduled to be published by the end of 2015, as per the Auditor General's report. It's nice that we now have three plans to improve cycling infrastructure, but, they need to be delivered.

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby mount_street » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:06 pm

Wezz wrote:While this bridge looks interesting upfront - I don't think it works for what Perth needs as it does not connect to any established infrastructure at any of its 3 points.
Good point - I think they plan to build more infrastructure as shown on p20 though it's hard to tell as the figures are a bit low res and lacking legends, I suspect they were too focused on the pretty bridge pictures. These routes are only included in the 2031-2050 plan anyway (see p14)...

What they haven't reported is the breakdown of traffic from Perth to Freo as commutes vs recreational rides. Recreational riders doing the river loop probably aren't looking for a shortcut across the river.

Interesting that on the discussion of PSPs on p9 it says that "wherever possible, separation should be provided between pedestrians and cyclists" - yet none of the photos show this! Hard to take a photo of something that doesn't exist I guess.

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby Thoglette » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:42 pm

Based on the lack of budget or timetable, combined with
1/ the track record of the current govt of failing to deliver "fully funded" and scheduled transport plans (other than freeways),
2/ the absolute lack of a plan to recover the overall budget (except spend $2B on "the road to nowhere")
3/ the failure to deliver on the existing cycling promises
it can only be described as "a steaming pile".

And deserves to be treated with contempt
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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:24 pm

History precludes me taking any announcements on transport policy by the Barnett Government seriously.

While his side of politics has done nothing except the occasional reversal (close Freo line by Charlie Court for example), Barnett has taken it to a level that must embarrass even those that preach for more roads, less trains, less buses and no bikes.
Unchain yourself-Ride a unicycle

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby Red Rider » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:09 am

Putting the politics aside, the bike plan is pretty epic, going from the current 172km of off road paths to 850km, along with many river crossings.

Some notable gaps in the plan are off road paths connecting to Curtin Uni or Morley.

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Re: New transport blueprint - 2016

Postby rolandp » Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:58 am

Perth Now reports
Releasing the plan — which cost $1.3 million and took two years to produce — Transport Minister Dean Nalder said it was up to successive governments to pick which projects should be done first and how they would pay for them.

None of the projects were costed.
Given the WA Bike Network Plan was released in March 2014, the WABNP was basically only 'live' for a couple of months before planning for its replacement occurred for the new transport plan.

Perth Now also obtained quotes from cycling bodies:
WestCycle chief executive officer Matt Fulton said the plan showed how far cycling has come in WA: “This is an incredibly exciting time for people who already ride and this plan will encourage even more people to get on their bikes.”

Jeremey Murray, chief executive officer of Bicycling Western Australia, also strongly supported the plan: “Elements of the plan such as the proposed new river crossings have the potential to significantly change behaviour and movement patterns.

“These crossings would radically improve connectivity and substantially shorten journey times, making travelling by bike an option for even more people. For example, the Three Points Bridge will cut the journey time between Elizabeth Quay and Fremantle to less than 40 minutes.”

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