Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby Mububban » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:24 pm
Not a good look though. "Angry cyclist ATTACKS little old lady!!!!" I'm sure we'll hear more of this from the bike haters...
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby alh9a5 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:24 pm
Incidents like these really illustrate that motorists have no idea about cycling and why we do what we do. I would have taken the lane too in that situation with all the parked cars and the potential dooring zone on the left, though there was definitely a need to indicate they were intending on turning right ahead.
Very alarming that the cyclists opted to click out and stop in the middle of the road, death wish much
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby outnabike » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:54 pm
The cyclist might have been going to tap the car in retaliation , who knows?
Not right to honk at two bikes doing nothing wrong.
The driver might have already close passed the cyclist earlier, or due to an assumed misdemeanor earlier in the motorists eyes.
Right that the police have not charged any one so far.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby FXST01 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:38 pm
I noticed one rider almost made the other crash when he switched sides and abruptly stopped.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby cj7hawk » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:07 am
1. The cyclists had reason to be fearful for their lives. If a car behind is beeping you, they know they can't do that - so you know they are hostile - you just don't know how hostile. They are also armed and have demonstrated themselves to be dangerous. It's probably not quite grounds to assume they are going to deliberately kill you, but you do have reason to believe they may place your life in danger. Deliberately.
I thought they remained reasonably calm with that in mind.
2. If a car overtakes by a meter, it's not possible to hit it with your hand. Unless you're Michael Jordan.
3. Slapping a car is a very good way of alerting the driver that they are dangerously close to you. It should do no damage to the car. ( many people are kind of funny about people touching their cars though... and I mean funny as in they have mental problems funny. ) - The car pushed past the cyclist and they slapped it to alert the driver they were in danger. Seems reasonable enough. It sounded like a slap on metal to me - A slap on a window wouldn't have made that sound.
4. Someone shouldn't have their arms outside the car. Under the circumstances, if you need to slap the car and you accidentally get someone who has their arms outside the vehicle, it's not assault. Assault has to have intent. If they collided with another car and it amputated her arm, would she say it was assault?
5. I didn't hear anything in the video to substantiate the level of claimed pain and assault. "Oh you Bast**d..." isn't the sort of thing someone says when they experience a sharp pain. What I think happened is she wasn't struck at all, but her husband made the accusation and she went along with it.
6. Given the language from the old lady, I think we've established the sort of people who were in the car. Just because people are old doesn't mean they are good people.
7. Who rests their arm on the sharp edge of a window? The sill sure, but not the window. Sounds dodgy to me. The story doesn't add up.
So I see nothing here to blame on the cyclists. It seems it's a good example of how road users feel entitled to abuse us. More so, that they even feel that the law is on their side when they do try to push us off the road for being in their way.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby Tim » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:46 am
Bunch of plonkers, all of them.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby XIX » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:38 pm
I have to say I agree with pretty much all of this.cj7hawk wrote:Some thoughts.
1. The cyclists had reason to be fearful for their lives. If a car behind is beeping you, they know they can't do that - so you know they are hostile - you just don't know how hostile. They are also armed and have demonstrated themselves to be dangerous. It's probably not quite grounds to assume they are going to deliberately kill you, but you do have reason to believe they may place your life in danger. Deliberately.
I thought they remained reasonably calm with that in mind.
2. If a car overtakes by a meter, it's not possible to hit it with your hand. Unless you're Michael Jordan.
3. Slapping a car is a very good way of alerting the driver that they are dangerously close to you. It should do no damage to the car. ( many people are kind of funny about people touching their cars though... and I mean funny as in they have mental problems funny. ) - The car pushed past the cyclist and they slapped it to alert the driver they were in danger. Seems reasonable enough. It sounded like a slap on metal to me - A slap on a window wouldn't have made that sound.
4. Someone shouldn't have their arms outside the car. Under the circumstances, if you need to slap the car and you accidentally get someone who has their arms outside the vehicle, it's not assault. Assault has to have intent. If they collided with another car and it amputated her arm, would she say it was assault?
5. I didn't hear anything in the video to substantiate the level of claimed pain and assault. "Oh you Bast**d..." isn't the sort of thing someone says when they experience a sharp pain. What I think happened is she wasn't struck at all, but her husband made the accusation and she went along with it.
6. Given the language from the old lady, I think we've established the sort of people who were in the car. Just because people are old doesn't mean they are good people.
7. Who rests their arm on the sharp edge of a window? The sill sure, but not the window. Sounds dodgy to me. The story doesn't add up.
So I see nothing here to blame on the cyclists. It seems it's a good example of how road users feel entitled to abuse us. More so, that they even feel that the law is on their side when they do try to push us off the road for being in their way.
The guy has come up behind them at speed, while they are at a reasonable pace for the intersection and with fairly decent traffic around them. Surely the police should be speaking to the couple as well as this would be bordering on reckless driving.
Probably not a great idea hitting the car (I dont believe they have hit her), as in this case the car had passed and there was no longer any danger. But I will admit to touching up the odd wing mirror in my time.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby Derny Driver » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:42 pm
Me tooXIX wrote:I have to say I agree with pretty much all of this.cj7hawk wrote:Some thoughts.
1. The cyclists had reason to be fearful for their lives. If a car behind is beeping you, they know they can't do that - so you know they are hostile - you just don't know how hostile. They are also armed and have demonstrated themselves to be dangerous. It's probably not quite grounds to assume they are going to deliberately kill you, but you do have reason to believe they may place your life in danger. Deliberately.
I thought they remained reasonably calm with that in mind.
2. If a car overtakes by a meter, it's not possible to hit it with your hand. Unless you're Michael Jordan.
3. Slapping a car is a very good way of alerting the driver that they are dangerously close to you. It should do no damage to the car. ( many people are kind of funny about people touching their cars though... and I mean funny as in they have mental problems funny. ) - The car pushed past the cyclist and they slapped it to alert the driver they were in danger. Seems reasonable enough. It sounded like a slap on metal to me - A slap on a window wouldn't have made that sound.
4. Someone shouldn't have their arms outside the car. Under the circumstances, if you need to slap the car and you accidentally get someone who has their arms outside the vehicle, it's not assault. Assault has to have intent. If they collided with another car and it amputated her arm, would she say it was assault?
5. I didn't hear anything in the video to substantiate the level of claimed pain and assault. "Oh you Bast**d..." isn't the sort of thing someone says when they experience a sharp pain. What I think happened is she wasn't struck at all, but her husband made the accusation and she went along with it.
6. Given the language from the old lady, I think we've established the sort of people who were in the car. Just because people are old doesn't mean they are good people.
7. Who rests their arm on the sharp edge of a window? The sill sure, but not the window. Sounds dodgy to me. The story doesn't add up.
So I see nothing here to blame on the cyclists. It seems it's a good example of how road users feel entitled to abuse us. More so, that they even feel that the law is on their side when they do try to push us off the road for being in their way.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby 방구 똥 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:17 pm
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby Mulger bill » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:58 am
Bet we won't see it tho'...
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby trailgumby » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:01 pm
And me. The noise from the strike is inconsistent with the sound made from striking flesh. It's a knock sound. Striking flesh sounds like a slap.Derny Driver wrote:Me tooXIX wrote:I have to say I agree with pretty much all of this.cj7hawk wrote:Some thoughts.
1. The cyclists had reason to be fearful for their lives. If a car behind is beeping you, they know they can't do that - so you know they are hostile - you just don't know how hostile. They are also armed and have demonstrated themselves to be dangerous. It's probably not quite grounds to assume they are going to deliberately kill you, but you do have reason to believe they may place your life in danger. Deliberately.
I thought they remained reasonably calm with that in mind.
2. If a car overtakes by a meter, it's not possible to hit it with your hand. Unless you're Michael Jordan.
3. Slapping a car is a very good way of alerting the driver that they are dangerously close to you. It should do no damage to the car. ( many people are kind of funny about people touching their cars though... and I mean funny as in they have mental problems funny. ) - The car pushed past the cyclist and they slapped it to alert the driver they were in danger. Seems reasonable enough. It sounded like a slap on metal to me - A slap on a window wouldn't have made that sound.
4. Someone shouldn't have their arms outside the car. Under the circumstances, if you need to slap the car and you accidentally get someone who has their arms outside the vehicle, it's not assault. Assault has to have intent. If they collided with another car and it amputated her arm, would she say it was assault?
5. I didn't hear anything in the video to substantiate the level of claimed pain and assault. "Oh you Bast**d..." isn't the sort of thing someone says when they experience a sharp pain. What I think happened is she wasn't struck at all, but her husband made the accusation and she went along with it.
6. Given the language from the old lady, I think we've established the sort of people who were in the car. Just because people are old doesn't mean they are good people.
7. Who rests their arm on the sharp edge of a window? The sill sure, but not the window. Sounds dodgy to me. The story doesn't add up.
So I see nothing here to blame on the cyclists. It seems it's a good example of how road users feel entitled to abuse us. More so, that they even feel that the law is on their side when they do try to push us off the road for being in their way.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby Mulger bill » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:35 pm
Mirror fold that hit an outstretched hand?trailgumby wrote: And me. The noise from the strike is inconsistent with the sound made from striking flesh. It's a knock sound. Striking flesh sounds like a slap.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby trailgumby » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:31 pm
Yep, quite possible.Mulger bill wrote:Mirror fold that hit an outstretched hand?trailgumby wrote: And me. The noise from the strike is inconsistent with the sound made from striking flesh. It's a knock sound. Striking flesh sounds like a slap.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:47 pm
Notwithstanding a pretty poor bit of riding (I judge not as we all do so occasionally, cleats and duress can make us come a little unstuck from time to time) I think the driver and passenger have little to complain about. And I certainly would not accept that the riders did actually contact the lady. Either way the lady has some explaining to do before she is believable.crazioldjane wrote:The old man should be charged for inproper use of a warning device.... the cyclist she be charged with assault if he hit the old ladies arm intentionally and both of them should go home... stand if front of a mirror ...and have a really good look at themselves
I think the driver has a cheek to make a report. About the only thing that is clear and unambiguous in the whole video is the unwarranted use of the horn intended to assert his absolute right to the road over that of the riders. And that may, in this instance, have contributed to some bad riding from the cyclists that itself put the cyclists at risk.
Both parties escalated the incident somewhat but only one party gets my empathy.
On a more general note I do not like the way that slapping a car is considered to be overly aggressive in the eyes of motorists and the media. It does no harm to the car and should be about as offensive to most as a horn being tooted or an angry shout. We have become a culture that too easily cries "assault" out of self righteousness. I am not excluding cyclists from that last comment.
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Re: Police Investigate Road Rage Attack
Postby Cycleops70 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:07 pm
Nothing seems to create red mist faster than touching someone's car.ColinOldnCranky wrote: On a more general note I do not like the way that slapping a car is considered to be overly aggressive in the eyes of motorists and the media. It does no harm to the car and should be about as offensive to most as a horn being tooted or an angry shout. We have become a culture that too easily cries "assault" out of self righteousness. I am not excluding cyclists from that last comment.
Funny thing is, if you don't like your car being touched, then don't drive it within touching distance of people.
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