Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

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Postby toolonglegs » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:00 am

They announced the name for our amateur doping case, a young guy who won the last stage of this 4 stage race and tested positive for amphetamines. There were 2 other cases this year in The FSGT federation, all young and one was a women. Also cases in amateur marathon, athletics and weigh lifting. Considering how minimal the testing is it would suggest there are still plenty of amateurs doping and it isn't just masters!.

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Postby find_bruce » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:57 am

Yet another Astana rider tests positive

The test was in May - can anyone explain why it took 6 months to get the results ?
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:26 am

find_bruce wrote:Yet another Astana rider tests positive

The test was in May - can anyone explain why it took 6 months to get the results ?
We only know when the sample was taken, not when it was tested.

But there are many possible answers for such a delay, both legitimate and otherwise.

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Postby Joel Bohorquez » Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:00 pm

Nibali reacts angrily to Astana doping cases

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-re ... ping-cases

Nibali is in Vino's team so he should not be upset about the doppers but maybe because they got caught.

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Postby biker jk » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:15 pm

That makes it five doping cases for Astana in three months but Vino is confident he'll secure a WorldTour licence for 2015! Oh, and don't forget Kreuziger was at Astana when busted.

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Postby herzog » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:26 pm

Like I said earlier in the thread, the sport can no longer tolerate having teams run by former dopers.
herzog wrote:Time for a changing of the guard in the team management ranks.

UCI needs to bring in an accreditation system for team officials. Anyone with a doping background doesn't get accredited and is out of the sport in any capacity.

Total clean out. It's the only way.
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Postby AUbicycles » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:06 pm

WADA and Pfizer are collaborating. I doubt that Pfizer alone are the sole source of doping substances but if it helps to improve doping detection, that is a good thing.

funny tweet by fakecyclingnews: "Drug maker Pfizer joins forces with WADA". Our tip: Pfizer Cycling Team p/b WADA to have successful 2015 TdF.
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Postby biker jk » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:58 pm

Astana silent on Ferrari allegation

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Postby biker jk » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:59 pm

Masters World Champion provisionally suspended

The UCI has provisionally suspended the Masters World Champion in the 55-59 category road race, Robert Andre Massot. The French rider produced a positive test for anabolic androgenic steroids in a sample collected on August 31, 2014, the same day as the championship race held in Ljubljana, Slovenia. Massot’s name was added to the UCI’s list of provisionally suspended licence holders on December 5, 2014.

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Postby biker jk » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:41 am

It's amazing that Astana has been awarded a World Tour licence for 2015 given the latest accusations of systematic doping.

Some stats on names released in relation to teams etc from the Padua investigation.

Astana 14
Katusha 8
Lampre 6
Liquigas 5
Tinkoff/Androni/Farnese-ISD 3
Rabobank/GEOX same 3 riders
CSF/Radioshack/Quick Step/Lotto 2

Of the 35 pro riders listed, 15 were still riding this year.

Update. The UCI Licence Commission didn't take into account the Padua inevstigation, so Astana is on probation. :lol:

UCI president Brian Cookson stated, “The case of the Astana Pro Team ... remains a very serious situation for our sport given the number of doping cases. We shall be following the situation very closely and are awaiting to review the results of the audit. Meanwhile, the team will have to comply with the two requirements imposed by the Licence Commission. The combined effect of this is that the Astana Pro Team can be considered very much to be on probation. "

Cookson said earlier that the report from the UCI Licence Commission came before it received the new allegations by an Italian investigation which accused the team of systematic doping. The statement by the commission confirmed this. “For the time being, the elements of this procedure are unknown to the UCI and the Licence Commission and no consequence can be drawn in this case at hand. The UCI would call upon the Commission if evidence against the Team is established.”

Should the team incur any more doping positives, if the audit reveals any "deficiencies or in case of faulty implementation of the internal operational requirements", or if the UCI confirms the offences brought in the Padova case, it "would prompt a referral to the Licence Commission to envisage, if necessary, the withdrawal of the licence."

The Licence Commission was asked to review Astana's WorldTour status after the two EPO positives of brothers Valentin and Maxim Iglinskiy, and the steroid positive of trainee Ilya Davidenok this year.

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Postby AUbicycles » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:01 am

Thread started in 2008, six years again by TLL and going strong.

Probably not a milestone worthy of popping open the sparking white in Australia and champagne in France, but there is something about PEDs that make 'em keep coming back for more.
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Postby biker jk » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:11 am

Found this on another forum which provides the main reason for altitude training before major races. Yes, to confound ABP interpretation.

Altitude training causes haematological fluctuations with relevance for the Athlete Biological Passport.
Authors: Bonne TC1, Lundby C, Lundby AK, Sander M, Bejder J, Nordsborg NB.
Drug Test Anal. 2014 Dec 28. doi: 10.1002/dta.1757

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25252093/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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The impact of altitude training on haematological parameters and the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) was evaluated in international-level elite athletes. One group of swimmers lived high and trained high (LHTH, n = 10) for three to four weeks at 2130 m or higher whereas a control group (n = 10) completed a three-week training camp at sea-level. Haematological parameters were determined weekly three times before and four times after the training camps. ABP thresholds for haemoglobin concentration ([Hb]), reticulocyte percentage (RET%), OFF score and the abnormal blood profile score (ABPS) were calculated using the Bayesian model. After altitude training, six swimmers exceeded the 99% ABP thresholds: two swimmers exceeded the OFF score thresholds at day +7; one swimmer exceeded the OFF score threshold at day +28; one swimmer exceeded the threshold for RET% at day +14; and one swimmer surpassed the ABPS threshold at day +14. In the control group, no values exceeded the individual ABP reference range. In conclusion, LHTH induces haematological changes in Olympic-level elite athletes which can exceed the individually generated references in the ABP. Training at altitude should be considered a confounding factor for ABP interpretation for up to four weeks after altitude exposure but does not consistently cause abnormal values in the ABP.

or as Bertagnolli told the Padova magistate:

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Ferrari also advised me as to the timing of blood transfusions, saying to draw the blood before going to altitude and to reinfuse it upon my return, hence to better explain the phase shifts of the parameters, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc.

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Postby AUbicycles » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:23 am

Shane Stokes of CyclingTipsBlog has an article up following a WADA public comments at the Second International Conference on the Pharmaceutical Industry and the Fight against Doping.

The president of the World Anti Doping Agency, Craig Reedie, has called on more governments to criminalize doping, saying that acting in this way will play a vital part in helping prevent the current problems escalating and spilling over into everyday society.

“Sport is now a hugely lucrative industry, and there is a real area of concern with drugs being counterfeited, illegally produced, trafficked and distributed – and ultimately these drugs get in the hands of elite athletes and, increasingly, members of the public,” he said in a WADA statement, requesting an escalation of preventative measures.

“If governments can introduce relevant laws, and applicable penalties to combat this abuse of substances, then police will act and the scourge of doping can be prevented.”


Continued: WADA President Reedie: More governments need to make doping illegal
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Postby Xplora » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:38 am

Is doping illegal in Australia?

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Postby find_bruce » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:57 pm

AFAIK doping is not directly illegal although possession and use of some of the substances are either directly prohibited or controlled such as requiring a prescription.

One of the reasons for requiring athletes to sign a declaration, such as Cycling Australia's no doping declaration, is that it opens up the options for prosecution for criminal including making a false declaration or for obtaining money by deception.

Just as examples, in NSW making a false declaration is punishable by 5 years in gaol or 7 years if you obtain a material benefit. Obtaining money by deception is also punishable by 5 years in gaol
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Postby AUbicycles » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:58 pm

Thanks find_bruce, that was my understanding.
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Postby Xplora » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:58 am

No guarantee that there would be similar laws OS, cheers FB

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Postby skull » Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:19 pm

find_bruce wrote: controlled such as requiring a prescription.
Yep, and it isn't all that hard to get a prescription from the doc for some products.
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Postby find_bruce » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:23 pm

skull wrote:
find_bruce wrote: controlled such as requiring a prescription.
Yep, and it isn't all that hard to get a prescription from the doc for some products.
I have never tried skull, so I will have to take your word for it :wink:
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Postby skull » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:01 pm

find_bruce wrote: I have never tried skull, so I will have to take your word for it :wink:
LOL, I am just making comment from observations from adds to certain peptide websites being available for purchase

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Postby AUbicycles » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:14 am

Armstrong ordered to pay back SCA Promotion $10 million.
The company has confirmed to CyclingTips that the arbitrators’ written ruling has found that Armstrong engaged in “an unparalleled pageant of international perjury, fraud and conspiracy.”

That panel also found that he had “used perjury and other wrongful conduct to secure millions of dollars of benefits” from SCA Promotions, which was the insurance company contracted to cover bonus payments due to him for winning the Tour de France.

source: cyclingtipsblog
The company SCA Promotions is still down $2 million, as a result of legal costs when it too Armstrong to court originally. Armstrongs lawyers offered a settlement of $1 million in total (to close the whole case which includes any amount owed). The story reports that repayment of the $10 million has been refused by Armstrong - so the saga continues and SCA Promotions will also seek to take Armstrong to courts for additional claims, probably losses.
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Postby biker jk » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:45 am

Judge for yourself. Froome takes 28 sec on Contador in less than a few kms. Wow!


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Postby gabrielle260 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:40 am

biker jk wrote:Judge for yourself. Froome takes 28 sec on Contador in less than a few kms. Wow!

Contador did the same to Froome the day before.... The important thing is that neither man is stringing together consecutive days like this so early in the season.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:01 pm

This is a thread about doping news, not racing news. Can we keep it on topic?

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Postby herzog » Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:43 pm

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:This is a thread about doping news, not racing news.
Because there's never any overlap... :)

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