BNA Losers Club 2014

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Jesmol » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:50 pm

CKinnard wrote:
Jesmol wrote:Never really looked in here before, by my story is

2011/2 peaked weight at about 105Kg for 174cm tall.
Suffered from Metabolic Syndrome / Type 2 Diabetic / Severe Sleep apnea /High Blood Pressure / High Cholesterol
Went on a low carb diet (not really low, just lower).
Now hovering around 83Kg, still on Lipitor and Amlo , but really low dose, cholesterol is at 3.8, BP around 130/80.
No more need for the CPAP machine (anyone want to buy a SH resmed s9 with humidifier)

Had a recent CAT scan for heart condition and have absolutely no build up , so years of dietary and sedentary abuse can be turned around :)
Glucose response is now normal, so I've also reveresed type 2 diabetes :)
nice work. re your diet, the point is you ate less than you burned off. what are you eating now that you have lost the weight.
I don't have the greatest diet in the world, but I have certainly cut back on white carbs, move Veggies, lean meat etc. Very rarely do I have McDonald's etc, but I've been stable at 83 ish for nearly a year, would like to drop another 10, but will need to make more dietary changes

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby CKinnard » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:27 pm

Without exception, every obese person I know has a crap diet.
Somewhere on the road of life, they decided sound dietary principles don't apply to them.
It's a deluded magical thinking mindset, period.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby fixedlegs2012 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:17 am

Here we go 177cm. 36 years old.
Stared 98 in Jan 2014.
Down to 82kg
Eat lots of eggs, chicken and fish. Lots of vegies. Used MyFitnessPal t track my kj count per day. I manage my off days, you will break from a diet so I plan these days. And they became fewer. Stopped drinking nearly all together., Maybe 4 times this year.
Plan is 78 by Feb next year. Will race at 75kg.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Jesmol » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:05 am

CKinnard wrote:Without exception, every obese person I know has a crap diet.
Somewhere on the road of life, they decided sound dietary principles don't apply to them.
It's a deluded magical thinking mindset, period.
having been in that situation I agree, but it can also be very hard to break out of it

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Tony6463 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:25 pm

I've never understood it to be honest. I was lined up in the IGA yesterday to get some apples and bananas and there was a lady in front of me that was .........quite huge. In her basket was chocolate, Tim Tams, ice cream, chips and sugar free soft drink. Not a healthy thing in sight. I would have thought that when you get to the stage that walking is difficult that alarm bells would start to ring. At least a little.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby tcdev » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:11 pm

CKinnard wrote:Without exception, every obese person I know has a crap diet.
Somewhere on the road of life, they decided sound dietary principles don't apply to them.
It's a deluded magical thinking mindset, period.
You don't know how hard they've tried; every diet, every exercise known to man. Nothing works! It's not fair. You're just lucky. It's genetic. And too expensive to eat healthy. And there's not enough time to exercise. SO STOP PICKING ON THEM - IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!!! :roll:
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Tim » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:30 pm

tcdev wrote:And too expensive to eat healthy.
Not true.
$150-$170/week feeds two of us very, very well.
No fad diets, no obsessive calorie counting, no great effort, just disciplined enough to shop for food weekly, prepare and cook it at home.
Meat, fruit, veggies, nuts, whole grains, bread, pasta, rice, modest dairy, olive and vegetable oils, even ice cream.
A common sense, no nonsense, simple approach to eating.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby CKinnard » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:37 am

Tim wrote:
tcdev wrote:And too expensive to eat healthy.
Not true.
$150-$170/week feeds two of us very, very well.
No fad diets, no obsessive calorie counting, no great effort, just disciplined enough to shop for food weekly, prepare and cook it at home.
Meat, fruit, veggies, nuts, whole grains, bread, pasta, rice, modest dairy, olive and vegetable oils, even ice cream.
A common sense, no nonsense, simple approach to eating.
+1
anyone who is not eating those foods as staples is eating treat or convenience/junk foods as staples.
and they need to educate themselves about what healthy eating is, then train themselves to eat it.
if they think healthy tastes terrible, then they have to accept that is a serious part of an illness, and should not be indulged, but rather seriously sought help for.

I've heard time and again from clients "I've tried all the diets and they don't work for me". This means "I don't like fruits and vegetables, I don't like preparing meals at home from fresh ingredients. I prefer to buy takeaway or frozen pizza. Food is not nutrition for me. It is all about pleasuring myself." This is serious self delusion. People need to develop the will to realize choosing healthy is not hard the longer you choose healthy.

It's the same thing with exercise. People surrender to a sense of fatigue and end up sitting in a chair zombie like with the tv turned on for the 2x20 minute walks they could have done.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Aussiebullet » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:07 am

tcdev wrote:
CKinnard wrote:Without exception, every obese person I know has a crap diet.
Somewhere on the road of life, they decided sound dietary principles don't apply to them.
It's a deluded magical thinking mindset, period.
You don't know how hard they've tried; every diet, every exercise known to man. Nothing works! It's not fair. You're just lucky. It's genetic. And too expensive to eat healthy. And there's not enough time to exercise. SO STOP PICKING ON THEM - IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!!! :roll:
LOL!!!
As adults It's entirely their fault and their fault alone!!! :roll:

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby tcdev » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:05 am

Tim wrote:
tcdev wrote:And too expensive to eat healthy.
Not true.
The sarcasm was dripping from my mouth...

There was a story a few years back of a UK family who were 'forced' to eat McDonalds every day because it was 'the only food [they] could afford'. Not surprisingly, they all looked like they were allergic to salad and vegetables which is the only explanation I can find if a trip to the local fruit 'n' veg wasn't an option for them. You probably won't be surprised to learn that the reason they couldn't afford to eat healthy was because they were on welfare.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby tcdev » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:25 am

CKinnard wrote:if they think healthy tastes terrible, then they have to accept that is a serious part of an illness, and should not be indulged, but rather seriously sought help for.
There was a series on TV - 'Foodaholics' I think they called it here - that attempted to help people who were addicted to a single food - as in, they would eat the exact same meal every single day of their lives. As you can imagine, those foods tended to be chips, burgers and pizzas, not salads and vegetables. One woman started sobbing hysterically and literally threw up when they tried to get her to eat some vegetables!
CKinnard wrote:Food is not nutrition for me. It is all about pleasuring myself."
I've never heard it put this way - I like it!
CKinnard wrote:It's the same thing with exercise. People surrender to a sense of fatigue and end up sitting in a chair zombie like with the tv turned on for the 2x20 minute walks they could have done.
Heh, you see this on The Biggest Loser every season - people who have sworn they've 'tried' all manner of exercise and then claim to be near death after each physical exertion for the first few weeks. Funnily enough no-one on the show has actually died from exercise, and they all eventually end up infinitely less averse to exercise by the end of it all (the magic of television?)

I had a mate who always battled with his weight and at a few different points over the years was actually enrolled at various gyms. I joined him for a cardio class one day and it became apparent then and there what his problem was. His idea of exercise was to cruise along until he was even the slightest - and I mean slightest - bit out of breath, and then take a break until he was breathing normally again. It was almost like he was trying to make sure that the class had no benefit whatsoever. A few years later, at another gym, he wanted me to give him a weight-lifting routine and as I was instructing him on the bench, he suddenly racked the bar and flatly refused to do any more reps. Why? Because he was starting to find it a strain. Starting! He could clearly have done 2 or 3 more reps without being close to busting a gut. I explained to him that all the gains were only going to come after you started pushing yourself, but he would have none of it. My jaw literally dropped to the floor that day.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Nobody » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:40 am

tcdev wrote:
Tim wrote:
tcdev wrote:And too expensive to eat healthy.
Not true.
The sarcasm was dripping from my mouth...
On reflection the :roll: should have given it away, but obviously sarcasm is a difficult thing to perceive in written form.
tcdev wrote:There was a story a few years back of a UK family who were 'forced' to eat McDonalds every day because it was 'the only food [they] could afford'. Not surprisingly, they all looked like they were allergic to salad and vegetables which is the only explanation I can find if a trip to the local fruit 'n' veg wasn't an option for them. You probably won't be surprised to learn that the reason they couldn't afford to eat healthy was because they were on welfare.
Similar to the TV stories of pensioners eating canned dog food. Both probably stem from the misguided notion that meat is the only form of quality protein for humans.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Tim » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:02 pm

tcdev wrote: Tim wrote:

tcdev wrote:And too expensive to eat healthy.


Not true.


The sarcasm was dripping from my mouth...
Sorry, the sarcasm went straight over my head.
Ive heard each and every one of those excuses from the big boned people I work and socialise with.
The solution is simple but not in any way easy. I respect and admire anybody making the effort to change for the better.
No time at all for the wingers and self-piteous. They are costing us all a lot of money and effort.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby CKinnard » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:44 pm

yeah the cost thing is even irking me a bit these days.
I saw bananas for $11/kg yesterday! and not organic.

broccoli was $9/kg a few weeks ago.

I keep thinking a dollar ain't much these days.

But then I also think I am happy to have two $5 coffees after a ride, most days. So, there's my hypocrisy.
If I have to cut anything to stay in budget, then it shouldn't be vege and fruit, but coffee, driving for anything but essential reasons, dvd rental, cinema, etc.

and if I was on welfare, that would free my time up to dig the back yard up and grow some of my own stuff. I could even sell a bit to the neighbors.
as for vomiting with veges, yes I've seen that over and over. it seems more common than 30-40 years ago. I think many kids just aren't getting good nutrition these days. sad.
when I working in the USA years ago, I was staying with the parents of a friend for a bit, and they were interested in what we ate in Oz. So I offered to cook one night.
I bought broccoli, carrot, red capsicum, and spinach, and served it with baked salmon and shaped and spiced potato mash. The father didn't touch the vege. In fact, my friend told me the father had never seen broccoli before. :?

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby TonyMax » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:54 pm

CKinnard wrote:and if I was on welfare, that would free my time up to dig the back yard up and grow some of my own stuff. I could even sell a bit to the neighbors.
Stereotyping a bit there aren't you?

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Tim » Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:06 pm

CKinnard wrote:and if I was on welfare, that would free my time up to dig the back yard up and grow some of my own stuff.
I am on welfare these days, full time caring for my aged mum.
We've always grown veggies. At the very least summer varieties.
Anybody want zucchinis? I'm suffering a massive overload at the moment. They grow like Triffids. I'll pay you to take them away. :D

In this high tech, high speed age we've lost touch with the simple, earthy, ways and delights of nature and life.
Growing food is easy and a great pleasure. I must be getting old but watching veggies grow is really exciting :? . Overnight a zucchini can quadruple in size, they are freaky, amazing plants.
Next come the cucumbers, beans not far behind and then the crowning glory; home grown, full-flavoured tomatoes. :)
Such an abundant return for a minimal investment in time, money and effort.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby CKinnard » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:03 pm

IF I lived near you, I'd be over every week for zuccs.
I love making raw vegan spaghetti out them and smothering with a healthy home made tomato sauce. and my partner will happily chomp on a raw one as if a carrot.
For some reason they've been really exy for the last few months in Brisbane.
Once you start growing your own stuff, it makes you realize why preserving was so common years ago. rain or drought stuff.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby CKinnard » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:15 pm

TonyMax wrote:
CKinnard wrote:and if I was on welfare, that would free my time up to dig the back yard up and grow some of my own stuff. I could even sell a bit to the neighbors.
Stereotyping a bit there aren't you?

;)
I don't think so. Most people I know on welfare, and I know more than most....complain of boredom and nothing to do. I once convinced a guy on a disability pension and permanently in a wheelchair to start a hydroponics operation which eventually went commercial...it did more to get him off alcohol and illicit drugs than hundreds of hours of counselling and therapy.

there's nothing wrong with stereotyping if it's factual. confronting the facts is the first step towards doing something about them...rather than being paralysed by holier than thou thought police too gutless and precious to get their hands dirty doing something positive to resolve an undesirable situation.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Tim » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:18 pm

Any chance you could post (or PM me) the spaghetti formula.
At this time of year I almost live on a zucchini based diet.
Any new preparations would be much appreciated.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby CKinnard » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:18 am

Tim,

you can substitute zucchini into any pasta dish and use your sauce of choice.

My fav is a tomato and basil sauce maybe with chickpeas and a few pine or other nuts thrown in. This is then a complete but low starch meal, great for dieting. A more conventiional tomato and basil sauce recipe is here
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/13217/p ... asil+sauce" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Served with pesto is another favorite, though pine nuts can be exy. You could substitute them for lentils or chickpeas or canelini beans etc if on a budget.
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/31325/z ... with+pesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

more
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/32005/r ... puttanesca" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-food/foo ... 3k35r.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Run the zucchini length ways along a shredder to get long soft strands so it looks more like spaghetti, or alternatively seek out and buy a vegetable spiralizer. They are part of many food processors too.

Kids love it that way, and it helps presentation to shape the zucch by twirling it on a fork and plunking it in a little mountain on the plate, then spooning the sauce over or placing the mountain on top of the sauce and then garnished lightly.

If you have guests or family who aren't into it as much as you, then you can do half zucchini pasta and half regular.

Raw zucchini pasta is practically a staple meal in raw vegan circles now.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Tim » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:01 pm

Thanks CK.
Raw zucchini pasta will be featuring on the menu this summer alongside steamed zuchini, baked zuchini, stir fried zuchinni, stuffed zuchinni, zuccchini fritters, zucchini slice, zucchini, zucchini, zucchini, oy, oy, oy. :D

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby tcdev » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:16 pm

It's that time of the month again. November weigh-in:

1st Jul - 114.5 kg
1st Aug - 112.8 kg
1st Sept - 111.2 kg
1st Oct - 107.3 kg
1st Nov - 105.3 kg
1st Dec - 106.5 kg

As I fully expected, not a good month. Bike was in the shop for a few weeks, which resulted in not riding for almost 3 due to timing. So in lieu of riding, I complemented my training program with eating more junk to mourn the loss of my bike. :oops: To be fair, have also put on some muscle as I continued my weight training throughout. Managed to squeeze in 3 rides at the end of the week to curb the damage somewhat. But, could have been worse I suppose. My revised goal of 104.5kg by year-end is still possible if I'm diligent.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby barefoot » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:09 pm

cp123 wrote:are any of you prepared to put up before and after photos? just to show us how far you've all come. :)
I don't think many of us start this process with any confidence that it's really going to work for us this time... nor with the inclination to take photos showing off how bad things have got.

Following tcdev's lead - monthly reporting. Well, I haven't really been reporting monthly, but from records... this time last month I was 78.4kg. Now hovering around the low 77kgs - have been 77 flat a few times, last night more typical at 77.3kg. Down from 86kg at the start of August.

It's getting a bit rugged maintaining a good diet at this end of the year, and not going to get any easier in the next few weeks. Also not easy getting enough riding in.

I was aiming for under 80 by the end of the year, and smashed that. I pondered whether I might make it to 75, but that's looking a bit optimistic at this stage. Last push for the year... if I can get to 76kg, that would be a round 10kg lost in 5 months, which I'd be stoked with.

Hills. So. Much. Easier. Now!

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby clydesmcdale » Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:25 pm

Going to start doing weigh-ins at the beginning of the month... only about 2 weeks since last. Currently the lightest I've ever been as an adult. Less than 2kg to target. Keep some discipline and i should crack 90 before Christmas. Hills are getting so much easier now. Took 45sec off my local climb with what i thought was an intermediate effort. Happy days.

Weirdest thing is happening... I'm getting cravings for fresh fruit and veg and any time I have less than healthy food I feel terrible.

198cm - 36yr old
- October 2011 118.9kg
- April 2012 108.7kg
- May 2012 106.2kg
- June 2012 105.5kg
- July 2012 103.8kg
- August 2012 101.7kg
- September 2012 99.9kg
- October 2012 97.6kg
- November 2012 97.3kg
- December 2012 97.3kg
- January 2013 96.3kg
- February 2013 93.6kg
- March 2013 94.1 kg
- April 2013 92.0 kg
- May 2013 93.0 kg
- June 2013 94.5 kg
- July 2013 94.5 kg
- August 2013 93.5 kg
- September 2013 94.2 kg
- October 2013 94.3 kg
- November 2013 94.0 kg
- December 2013 93.5 kg

- January 2014 93.5 kg
- February 2014 95.0 kg
- March 2014 94.5 kg
- April 2014 94.8 kg
- May 2014 95.0 kg
- June 2014 95.2 kg
- July 2014 95.5 kg
- August 2014 96.2 kg
- September 2014 95.9 kg
- October 2014 92.8 kg
- November 2014 91.5 kg

- December 2014 90.5 kg

Overall Goal 88.9kg

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby clydesmcdale » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:58 am

So naturally a day after posting I cracked 90... 89.7 this morning. See if I can maintain till Jan 1.

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