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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby simonn » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:00 am

Bluejay87 wrote:Fair enough if your goal is to gain or maintain muscle mass. Not an expert at all but I've heard that much protein puts a lot of strain on your kidneys so be careful. I also wouldn't recommend protein bars as an energy source for big rides. Just go for something with more carbs.
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In a study of women published in the "Annals of Internal Medicine" in 2003, participants with mild kidney impairment saw increased damage with high protein intake, particularly after eating meat. Those with full kidney function, however, did not show signs of disease even with high protein consumption. According to the UCLA Student Nutrition and Body Image Awareness Campaign, excess protein may be especially risky for people with diabetes.

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I haven't intentionally eaten meat for ~25 years, so...?

Also, most high protein diets = Atkins type diets, i.e. eating meat and more meat, with a sprinkling of some more meat. Per volume, I seem to eat more steamed veggies and leafy greens than anything else, by a long shot.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:37 pm

Has people tried Hammer Hammer bars?

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby GAV!N » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:55 pm

zill wrote:I'm currently eating bars as meals. For example, 5 different bars for a meal. Is that alright?
Really dude? Balanced diet doesn't mean 5 different muesli bars. You continue to astound me...

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:59 pm

GAV!N wrote:
zill wrote:I'm currently eating bars as meals. For example, 5 different bars for a meal. Is that alright?
Really dude? Balanced diet doesn't mean 5 different muesli bars. You continue to astound me...
My binge eating habits are normal and I recently found out about a condition called Bulimia nervosa. I'm not saying that I have it at the moment but potentially on the edge of it.

I'm trying hard to stop this binge eating activity.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby dalai47 » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:09 pm

5 bars as a meal is stupid. Pay the money and see a sports nutritionist! I was shopping tonight and checked the Carmen bars. The nutritional info on the box I looked at - each bar is over 7g fat, so 35g fat or more with 5 bars! I didn't look at the amount of sugar per bar but I doubt it is low...

Have you been formally diagnosed by a doctor or psychologist using the DSM-5 or self diagnosed? Sounds more like you just lack self control...

According to the DSM-5 criteria, to be diagnosed as having Bulimia Nervosa a person must display:

Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterised by both of the following:
Eating, in a discrete period of time (e.g. within any 2-hour period), an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat during a similar period of time and under similar circumstances.
A sense of lack of control over eating during the episode (e.g. a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating).
Recurrent inappropriate compensatory behaviour in order to prevent weight gain, such as self-induced vomiting, misuse of laxatives, diuretics, or other medications, fasting, or excessive exercise.
The binge eating and inappropriate compensatory behaviours both occur, on average, at least once a week for three months.

Self-evaluation is unduly influenced by body shape and weight.
The disturbance does not occur exclusively during episodes of Anorexia Nervosa.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:46 am

dalai47 wrote:5 bars as a meal is stupid. Pay the money and see a sports nutritionist! I was shopping tonight and checked the Carmen bars. The nutritional info on the box I looked at - each bar is over 7g fat, so 35g fat or more with 5 bars! I didn't look at the amount of sugar per bar but I doubt it is low...

Have you been formally diagnosed by a doctor or psychologist using the DSM-5 or self diagnosed? Sounds more like you just lack self control...

According to the DSM-5 criteria, to be diagnosed as having Bulimia Nervosa a person must display:

Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterised by both of the following:
Eating, in a discrete period of time (e.g. within any 2-hour period), an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat during a similar period of time and under similar circumstances.
A sense of lack of control over eating during the episode (e.g. a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating).
Recurrent inappropriate compensatory behaviour in order to prevent weight gain, such as self-induced vomiting, misuse of laxatives, diuretics, or other medications, fasting, or excessive exercise.
The binge eating and inappropriate compensatory behaviours both occur, on average, at least once a week for three months.

Self-evaluation is unduly influenced by body shape and weight.
The disturbance does not occur exclusively during episodes of Anorexia Nervosa.
No, haven't seen a doctor about my binge eating habits.

Looking around at info on Bulimia Nervosa, it seems girls mostly get it because of image problems. But there is a saying that only cyclists care about their body weight more than girls! I do care about weight ever since becoming a cyclist but not excessively serious actually. However, I still do care a lot about my weight. I fit into all the categories described above except that to prevent weight gain, I never vomit nor misuse medications. However, I do sometimes fast and obviously exercise on the trainer sometimes even at midnight (due to binge eating at dinner)!

I've said this before, but seeing how serious this all is will try harder to stop binge eating.

So you can see I am pretty desperate at the moment and really want to stop excessive dessert eating naturally and calmly.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby GAV!N » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:51 am

Yeah a lot of cyclists have weight in their mind, and they eat to control their weight, as most average athletes wouldin some way. A lot of cyclists are also normal people, who occasionally like a little 'treat'. Does this mean we're all Bulimic's? We're not all Pro cyclists and we don't have to watch every calorie and every gram of weight. My wife had Bulimia through her teens and early 20's (While I was with her), and I can tell you Zill, there is a lot more to it than it sounds like you have.

Go and see a doctor, a nutritionist, and more importantly, a psychologist. Stop looking for your life answers on this forum and Google. It seems like you need some REAL help, not self diagnosed cyber help.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby dalai47 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:56 am

GAV!N wrote:Go and see a doctor, a nutritionist, and more importantly, a psychologist. Stop looking for your life answers on this forum and Google. It seems like you need some REAL help, not self diagnosed cyber help.
This ^^^ If you see doctor first and get a referral you can see a psychologist and claim some of this on your private health if you have it.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:55 pm

GAV!N wrote:Go and see a doctor, a nutritionist, and more importantly, a psychologist. Stop looking for your life answers on this forum and Google. It seems like you need some REAL help, not self diagnosed cyber help.
There are a lot of knowledgeable people here that offer good advice and I appreciate that.

With regards to this binge eating, I know what needs to be done. I've been doing binge eating (in its current format) for 3 months now and I can see it leads to nowhere.

I once asked an experienced A grade cyclist about the need to see a nutritionist. He asked me for what purpose. I said to lose weight and he asked me if I ate junk often? I said yes and he said to just try to cut that out and your weight will come down to a good level after doing a lot of training. Makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby dalai47 » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:28 am

Disorders such as Binge eating are usually not caused by a need to loose weight or a calorie deficient diet. There is often an underlying non weight related issue that needs being resolved.

Just because someone can ride a bike fast such as the rider you mention:

1. doesn't mean he knows nutrition beyond the simple eat less junk (this is just common sense)
2. even if trained in those fields provide comprehensive advise without knowing the full picture when you asked. I.e your complete diet, eating habits, your personal physical and psychological history etc.

Spend a few dollars and book in to see people trained in these fields - once you have given them a comprehensive history they will be able to tailor a nutritional and psychological program to help you.

Trying to get answers online via forums and google is fraught with danger. Given some of your views such as five different muesli bars as a meal replacement, self diagnosed as Bulimic shows this!

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby GAV!N » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:42 am

zill wrote:
GAV!N wrote:Go and see a doctor, a nutritionist, and more importantly, a psychologist. Stop looking for your life answers on this forum and Google. It seems like you need some REAL help, not self diagnosed cyber help.
There are a lot of knowledgeable people here that offer good advice and I appreciate that.
True, but note the red heading in the Cycling Health Forum: The information / discussion in the Cycling Health Forum is not qualified medical advice. Please consult your doctor


I'm not going to entertain your disorder anymore in this thread.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:16 pm

dalai47 wrote:Disorders such as Binge eating are usually not caused by a need to loose weight or a calorie deficient diet. There is often an underlying non weight related issue that needs being resolved.

Just because someone can ride a bike fast such as the rider you mention:

1. doesn't mean he knows nutrition beyond the simple eat less junk (this is just common sense)
2. even if trained in those fields provide comprehensive advise without knowing the full picture when you asked. I.e your complete diet, eating habits, your personal physical and psychological history etc.

Spend a few dollars and book in to see people trained in these fields - once you have given them a comprehensive history they will be able to tailor a nutritional and psychological program to help you.

Trying to get answers online via forums and google is fraught with danger. Given some of your views such as five different muesli bars as a meal replacement, self diagnosed as Bulimic shows this!
I'm actually enrolled in a nutrition 101 course at the moment as I am genuinely interested. That is how I found out about bulimia nervosa in the first place. If you reread my posts, I never said that I had the condition. However. I do worry that I might get it in the future if this behavior was to continue.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:21 pm

GAV!N wrote:
zill wrote:
GAV!N wrote:Go and see a doctor, a nutritionist, and more importantly, a psychologist. Stop looking for your life answers on this forum and Google. It seems like you need some REAL help, not self diagnosed cyber help.
There are a lot of knowledgeable people here that offer good advice and I appreciate that.
True, but note the red heading in the Cycling Health Forum: The information / discussion in the Cycling Health Forum is not qualified medical advice. Please consult your doctor


I'm not going to entertain your disorder anymore in this thread.
You make it much worse by posting stuff for your own entertainment. All the threads I create are serious (especially in the health section) and would appreciate serious and constructive responses.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby dalai47 » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:43 pm

Great you are enrolling in a course on nutrition, but still stand by my recommendation to see a psychologist ideally working in eating disorders.

http://www.psychology.org.au/FindaPsych ... px?ID=5911" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Postby dalai47 » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:40 pm

zill wrote:You make it much worse by posting stuff for your own entertainment. All the threads I create are serious (especially in the health section) and would appreciate serious and constructive responses.
How has GAV!N noting the advise that is clearly stated at the top of the page making light of your question? He and many others above have provided some really good input to the issues you mention. The main one you keep ignoring is to seek information specific to your needs from trained professionals and not forums...

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:30 pm

dalai47 wrote:
zill wrote:You make it much worse by posting stuff for your own entertainment. All the threads I create are serious (especially in the health section) and would appreciate serious and constructive responses.
How has GAV!N noting the advise that is clearly stated at the top of the page making light of your question? He and many others above have provided some really good input to the issues you mention. The main one you keep ignoring is to seek information specific to your needs from trained professionals and not forums...
This statement "I'm not going to entertain your disorder anymore in this thread." from him is not a positive sign.

I do have diagnosed psychological problems but they are not directly related to binge eating. However, I'm sure they are indirectly related in some way. I do believe though that I am strong enough to combat this binge eating behavior.

What I'm really interested in is why I am so into desserts recently but not much interest in savory junk food. In the past, I have always shown more interest in savory junk. I'd be keen to visit a nutrition specialist for an answer to this as well as other more specific nutrition plans for cycling training for this summer!

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby Duck! » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:25 pm

I think you've taken Gavin's use of the word "entertain" in the wrong context; he is not deriving pleasure from this discussion, rather he is somewhat fed up with your apparent reluctance to heed sound advice and will give this thread no more airtime.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:16 am

I'll probably go see a psychologist specializing in eating disorders as I'm sure I'll learn something from it.

On the original topic, I've realized that bars labelled as containing "raw/natural/organic ingredients such as Hammer Bar or Emma &Tom's bars taste very different to the other bars. They don't taste as good but should certainly be more healthy?

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby Aussiebullet » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:14 am

I give up.

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Postby RonK » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:59 am

Aussiebullet wrote:I give up.
I don't know why you bothered in the first place. :)

Looking back at his other threads, this guy is either trolling or is that other word that rhymes with his name. :lol:
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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby zill » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:56 pm

RonK wrote:
Aussiebullet wrote:I give up.
I don't know why you bothered in the first place. :)

Looking back at his other threads, this guy is either trolling or is that other word that rhymes with his name. :lol:
By posting comments like this, I feel you people are trolling with me. I am genuine here. There must be a reason why I seem to want to eat desserts so much. By having many bars for breakfast only, my desire to binge in desserts has decreased substantially. It's obviously the sugar that I need. Better getting sugar from a healthy bar than a caramel slice for example.

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby Bluejay87 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:21 pm

Zill, can I ask how old you are?

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby ValleyForge » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:35 am

In contrast I love this thread.

Now you can all get a feel for how a health professional feels when we give advice and a patient says - I'm going to do a nutrition course instead. :roll:
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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby Carrots » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:56 am

ValleyForge wrote:In contrast I love this thread.

Now you can all get a feel for how a health professional feels when we give advice and a patient says - I'm going to do a nutrition course instead. :roll:
Or the classic... Google told me I have "............"

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Re: Healthiest bars?

Postby ValleyForge » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:52 am

Carrots wrote:
ValleyForge wrote:In contrast I love this thread.

Now you can all get a feel for how a health professional feels when we give advice and a patient says - I'm going to do a nutrition course instead. :roll:
Or the classic... Google told me I have "............"
"Now can you bulk bill me?"
Ha ha ha! Cookies on dowels.

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