CKinnard wrote:Nobody wrote:I think some personalities like myself suit the Goldhamer approach which treats people who have trouble controlling their food addictions like alcoholics. In other words, requiring total abstinence. You also may be one of them.
Goldhamer's is one perspective. labeling something one does infrequently an addiction is stretching it.
definition of addiction : a compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli despite adverse consequences.
definition of compulsive : an irresistible urge.
First up apologies. That last bit "You also may be one of them" I removed. But you quoted before I removed them. I actually thought about whether you'd quoted it already, knowing you're usually fairly quick to reply. I write a lot of rubbish (thoughts) initially, but some of it gets edited out before the first post. Some after it's too late.
CKinnard wrote:I think the diet science won't be in the bag until it is shown WFPB unreservedly delivers better longevity advantage than observed in meat inclusive Blue Zones, across multiple generations. And that's not going to happen in our life times.
In the meantime, 100% conviction to WFPB requires a tad of blind faith, unconsciously filling in the science knowledge gaps...which I can personally do, consciously.
I'm going to respectfully disagree and say that it may be
faith, but it's not blind. Blind faith would require faith in something without
any evidence related to it. We have evidence, it's just not holistic or overly conclusive yet. AFAIK everything I put in my mouth has scientific evidence saying it's good for me. It's just a matter of whether I'm getting the balance correct for optimal longevity. I would say not at this stage, but like you said, there is too little evidence of a clear path yet.
Some of the gaps I see for the most part still remaining relating to WFPO SOS free:
Is too low a sodium level going to be a longevity disadvantage?
Is EPA/DHA supplementation necessary? If so, for who and from what age?
Iodine supplementation?
Is too low, or too high a fat level going to prove to be a longevity disadvantage? What is really the optimum fat level?
Is too much protein going to prove to be a longevity disadvantage?
When I speak of longevity, I'm really only concerned about health span. Longevity being a necessary side effect. In reality, if I didn't wake up tomorrow I wouldn't consider it a tragedy.
These questions don't keep me up at night and some will be highly dependent on genetics. But I'm going to act on some of them from the evidence we see so far.
CKinnard wrote:If one is committed 100% to WFPB based on the science, I think it is wise to appreciate the limits of the scientific evidence to date.
Agree.
CKinnard wrote:My experience is many people invest excessive power in what an optimal diet can achieve, and this unconsciously lowers their prioritization of the importance of other lifestyle choices, and life purpose and meaning.
I agree and I can't say it doesn't affect my life.
CKinnard wrote:The WFPB group I joined this year is full of this magical and distorted thinking.
That might keep you busy trying to sorting them out then.
I admit that I was probably more down that line of thinking earlier, but you, enough time and more evidence has sorted me out to some degree.