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Re: Sugar its like a poison
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Postby Baalzamon » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:25 pm
Right now there is nothing on the Internet I will believe as big industry supports sugar and will do anything they can to protect their bottom line. On Friday I expect to have a glucose ketone meter which I'll be able to measure my glucose and suss out what foods cause it to spike.Nobody wrote:
There was one glaring error which is that sugar causes type two diabetes. It does so only indirectly as excess sugar contributes to obesity and that obesity contributes to the diabetes. Dietary fat is the main culprit for type two diabetes.
Wind back 100 years sugar was a treat that most people could not afford. Look at all the diseases modern medical science has picked up on now. Did they exist 100 years ago, well here is the conundrum they didn't have the medical science back then so it's unknown.
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Postby Nobody » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:04 pm
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Postby matagi » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:47 pm
It was quite interesting watching the presenter's change in body shape despite being on the same number of calories and apparently still doing the same amount of exercise.
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Postby matagi » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:52 pm
I wouldn't be surprised. With the possible exception of All Bran, I would think the bulk of their breakfast cereals are laden with sugar. I shudder to think how much sugar is in their snack bars.Nobody wrote:I was talking to the guard who previously worked at Kellogg's. He told me that Kellogg's is Sugar Australia's second biggest customer (behind Coca-Cola Amatil) and that dealing with the the sugar trucks were a major part of his job.
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Postby matagi » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:44 am
Traditional rolled oats, the only sugar in those is what you add.mikesbytes wrote:I went thru all the cereals and rejected almost all of them due to the sugar content. Perhaps there would be a much better selection of cereals if most people did that
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Postby mikesbytes » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:09 am
That was one of the few that passed and was pretty much tops off memory. The usual story of eating base foods and ignoring manufactured foods applies in this area toomatagi wrote:Traditional rolled oats, the only sugar in those is what you add.mikesbytes wrote:I went thru all the cereals and rejected almost all of them due to the sugar content. Perhaps there would be a much better selection of cereals if most people did that
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Postby Howzat » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:38 pm
Unfortunately All-Bran is not an exception. It's also a rich source of sugar. Second most significant ingredient and 16.7 grams per 100 gram serving.matagi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. With the possible exception of All Bran, I would think the bulk of their breakfast cereals are laden with sugar.
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Postby matagi » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:49 pm
Ah well, there you go - it's at least 20 years since I've eaten the stuff, so I have no idea about its ingredient list.Howzat wrote:Unfortunately All-Bran is not an exception. It's also a rich source of sugar. Second most significant ingredient and 16.7 grams per 100 gram serving.matagi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. With the possible exception of All Bran, I would think the bulk of their breakfast cereals are laden with sugar.
I do remember being given some as child and adding another 2 or 3 teaspoons of sugar to make it acceptable to my then 5 year old palate.
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Postby Howzat » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:43 pm
Me too. Good film.matagi wrote:I finally got around to watching "That Sugar Film" on the weekend... It was quite interesting watching the presenter's change in body shape despite being on the same number of calories and apparently still doing the same amount of exercise.
I thought the most interesting part was that his liver got fatty and his blood fats rose to dangerous levels, all on a low fat diet. It was the liver metabolising the sugar that raised his cholesterol, not his consumption of fats.
Also the part that the common wisdom that "all calories are equal" is essential sugar-industry bull feathers.
According to industry spruikers, if you're fat, it's your fault because you eat too much and don't exercise enough. Never never never that your modern diet contains an unbalanced proportion of sugar, more than your body can safely metabolise, more than it evolved to deal with.
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Postby Nobody » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:45 am
True, all calories aren't equal in the way the body processes them. Generally all processed sugars and carbs should be avoided unless you are doing large amounts of exercise and the denser calories are an advantage.Howzat wrote:Also the part that the common wisdom that "all calories are equal" is essential sugar-industry bull feathers.
According to industry spruikers, if you're fat, it's your fault because you eat too much and don't exercise enough. Never never never that your modern diet contains an unbalanced proportion of sugar, more than your body can safely metabolise, more than it evolved to deal with.
However, sugar and processed carbs are not the whole story. There has also been a rise in fat consumption. The combination of animal products and processed carbs (a high percentage of the average American diet) are even more insulin spiking or fattening, as the western diet has shown.
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Postby matagi » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:56 am
I remember sitting in biochemistry lectures as a second year university student while the lecturer went through the cholesterol synthesis pathway and thinking at the time that the big problem in raised cholesterol levels was sugar/simple carbohydrate which are readily broken down to produce the acetyl units needed for the first step.Howzat wrote: I thought the most interesting part was that his liver got fatty and his blood fats rose to dangerous levels, all on a low fat diet. It was the liver metabolising the sugar that raised his cholesterol, not his consumption of fats.
Well it is true that a calorie is a calorie, so in that sense all calories are equal - however, all SOURCES of calories are NOT equal. Which I think is a very important distinction that most people do not make.Also the part that the common wisdom that "all calories are equal" is essential sugar-industry bull feathers.
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Postby mikesbytes » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:11 am
I'm wondering if the sugar content has gone up in All-Bran?matagi wrote:Ah well, there you go - it's at least 20 years since I've eaten the stuff, so I have no idea about its ingredient list.Howzat wrote:Unfortunately All-Bran is not an exception. It's also a rich source of sugar. Second most significant ingredient and 16.7 grams per 100 gram serving.matagi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. With the possible exception of All Bran, I would think the bulk of their breakfast cereals are laden with sugar.
I do remember being given some as child and adding another 2 or 3 teaspoons of sugar to make it acceptable to my then 5 year old palate.
Also do we tend to notice the added sugar, hence the adding of the 2 or teaspoons and don't notice as much the sugar in the product itself?
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Re: Sugar its like a poison
Postby Aussiebullet » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:39 pm
RhapsodyX wrote:I used to take gels, sports drinks etc. etc. Now I ride on water with a weak solution of "no added sugar" cordial and some salt - sometimes burning over 2900Kj (according to the Power2Max) before eating. From a cycling perspective, sugar (and starch) are effectively drugs of dependency - the more you have, the more you need.
Not sure I understand what your point is.
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Re: Sugar its like a poison
Postby RhapsodyX » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:50 pm
As long as you mostly stay below the aerobic threshold - no issue. I finished in the mid 50's for Fitz's 165km classic this year, and finished this years AG Gran Fondo in 3:26, 22 minutes faster than my best carb-fueled effort. Anaerobic is a bit limited... and you can still bonk if the energy expenditure exceeds the ability of the liver to create glucose, but there's always SOME stored glycogen going on via gluconeogenesis. For longer efforts (3+ hours) you can use something like superstarch or (somewhat) "carb up" the day before. As I pointed out to a mate - I can carb up the day before, but he can't fat-adapt in a day.Bluejay87 wrote:What kind of training do you do? Long and slow? My weak understanding was you could burn your fat for those kinds of rides, but you really the carbs for the more intense rides.
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