Hemochromatosis

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Hemochromatosis

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:32 am

Seeing as there is no dedicated thread, I'm starting one. :wink:

I've known that I was a carrier for the last 6yrs but not needing to have any blood removed. I had blood tests done a week ago and my iron levels were up form my normal over the last 10yrs. Dr asked, have you been tied lately? Me.. yes and very fatigued for the last few months. :(

So he asked how I felt about losing 400ml of blood and my answer was.... no problems and if it makes me feel better, that's the big +. :wink:

My mother her brother and one of my sisters all have too have a venesection at varying intervals to control things, so after being a carrier of it, this will be the first weight weenie procedure for me.

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby Orion » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:18 am

My uncle is in his early 70's and has Haemochromatosis. He has to "get drained by the vampires" (as he calls it) every month or two. Seems to keep it in check.
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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby madmacca » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:31 am

foo on patrol wrote:Seeing as there is no dedicated thread, I'm starting one. :wink:

I've known that I was a carrier for the last 6yrs but not needing to have any blood removed. I had blood tests done a week ago and my iron levels were up form my normal over the last 10yrs. Dr asked, have you been tied lately? Me.. yes and very fatigued for the last few months. :(

So he asked how I felt about losing 400ml of blood and my answer was.... no problems and if it makes me feel better, that's the big +. :wink:

My mother her brother and one of my sisters all have too have a venesection at varying intervals to control things, so after being a carrier of it, this will be the first weight weenie procedure for me.

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I don't suffer from Hemochromatosis, but I do notice that my performance on the bike is down by 5-10% in the couple of days after a blood donation (540 ml). So I try to arrange my training program to do a hard ride the morning of a blood donation, with jsut an easy recovery ride scheduled the day after.

Anyway, hoping the donation sorts the iron levels for you.

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:33 pm

From my knowledge on the blood letting, it picks the suffers back up in the energy levels a day after, MM. :wink:

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby athman » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:52 pm

My iron levels accumulate above normal levels. Luckily I am able to manage it just by being a blood donor. I give blood and that dilutes it.
Afterwards I find it takes a few days before I can tackle hill climbs, otherwise I get woozy going up hills. It means I have to carefully fit it in depending on what training or racing I'm doing, but its manageable.

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby Nobody » Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:38 pm

foo on patrol wrote:From my knowledge on the blood letting, it picks the suffers back up in the energy levels a day after, MM. :wink
Yes in general disposition, but not during exertion from my experience. It takes me more than a week to pick up again. The medical people tell me it takes 3 weeks for blood levels to return to normal.

Have you had the genetic test yet? What levels are your saturation and ferritin at last test?

I'm H63D positive in genetic testing. My highest saturation was 64 and ferritin was 573. Now I'm 30 and 89 respectively at last test, which was 22 months after my highest test and before my last 3 monthly venesection. I've just changed to 6 monthly venesections. My next tests and venesection are due in December.

Having relatives that have Haemochromatosis, you probably know the following. But for those who are new to Haemochromatosis...
There are two types of iron in food. Heme iron and non-heme iron. Heme iron is generally found in animal products and gets absorbed at a rate of 25%, where non-heme iron found in plants is absorbed at an approximate rate of 2 to 15%. Avoiding animal products is a given for avoiding increased blood iron saturation, but I've also found that green leafy veg can raise my blood saturation. I heard the tip about green leafy veg from another person with Haemochromatosis and proved it to myself by changing my diet between tests.

Iron studies have two main indicators. They are saturation and ferritin. Saturation is a more short term indicator which shows at what rate you are absorbing iron between test periods, while ferritin is a more long term indicator of stored body iron. You generally need both saturation and ferritin to be high and also test positive for the gene test to be fairly sure you have Haemochromatosis. Other things can raise you iron levels like stress or NAFLD. My father recently has a ferritin of 583, but a saturation of just 30. He doesn't have Haemochromatoisis.

To be absolutely sure, specialists can order tests like a liver biopsy or MRI. I got an ultrasound about 21 months ago (as I refused a MRI) which showed I had mild liver damage. But a follow up test last month made no mention of that damage. So the situation can improve.

As much as some specialists like to give the impression that diet doesn't matter for haemochromatosis, many peoples' experiences suggest it does. One of the main reasons (other than Haemochromatosis genetic type) why some need venesections (long term) every couple of months, while others get to 6 months or more between venesections, is diet IMO. I usually track my diet and either avoid or use high iron content foods sparingly. It's working well for me so far and I hope that trend continues.
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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:11 pm

athman wrote:My iron levels accumulate above normal levels. Luckily I am able to manage it just by being a blood donor. I give blood and that dilutes it.
Afterwards I find it takes a few days before I can tackle hill climbs, otherwise I get woozy going up hills. It means I have to carefully fit it in depending on what training or racing I'm doing, but its manageable.
I can't give blood, due to the fact of being a carrier. :wink: I asked about this at one of my blood tests. :?

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby athman » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:57 pm

Foo, that's a bummer that you can't give blood. When I give blood they do a standard check first and mine will show elevated iron levels, but they go ahead anyway. I guess my levels are not as serious as some others.

My GP thought I had Hemochromatosis, so I did the genetic test but came up negative. I'm glad I don't have to go though the whole rigmarole of venesections, it doesn't sound like fun.

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby foo on patrol » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:17 pm

It doesn't worry me, Athman as it's just some blood being sucked out, that's of now use to me. It is one of the most manageable health things around. :wink:

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:36 pm

I had half a litre sucked out but can't say if it has done anything for me, as I have the Man Flu now. :( I won't go to the Drs through the winter months anymore as this will be the first time in over six years that I've picked it up. :evil:

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby brumby33 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:06 pm

I had high ferritin levels of around 700-800 last year, but I only have the single gene which the Doctor told me that while I need to keep an eye on it and perhaps give some blood to get it down, but luckily I don't carry both genes for Hemochromatosis.
So I rocked up after making an appointment with the blood bank and gave them a copy and declared my high ferritin levels then they told me that the resident doctor wanted a letter from my doctor explaining that I don't have the Hemo condition, so I couldn't give blood on that day, so went and seen my doc who gave me a letter for the vampires that it's ok to give blood so after another appointment when I could organise a day off (i'm a bus driver so can't drive heavy vehicles for a least 12 hours afterwards) then I went back in to give blood and after about 3 tries, they gave up looking for a blood vessel so I went home again, bloody day wasted...haven't been back since.

Yesterday I had a fresh blood test from a new doctor as I moved back to Sydney, so next week I'll see how high my levels are then maybe start the whole cycle over again.

I hate getting stuffed around.... :x

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:56 pm

That sucks, Brumby. It took about 5mins to find my vein and then the blood stopped after the first 200ml :shock: and the nurse had to massage the arm to get it going again. :)

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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby brumby33 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:53 pm

The Vampires have really gotta work hard to get blood out of me Foo.....you know how the saying goes "Ya can't get blood out of a stone" :mrgreen:
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Re: Hemochromatosis

Postby kb » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:17 pm

Tough as nails? ;-)
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