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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:05 am
by Patt0
Patt0 wrote:
Nobody wrote:
WHtR has increased, but waist is unchanged. Something appears to be a typo.

Yeah lower carb usually is great initially, but can become more difficult as time moves on.
I guess my waist has enough flaccidity that the measurements can be up or down depending on how hard I pull on the tape :oops: .

What did you do after you did low carb?


Patt0 wrote:
Patt0 wrote:
6/7/18
Height=183cm
WtHtr=0.45
Weight=84kg
Waist= 82cm
:oops:
Another oops.

Height=183cm
WtHtr=0.46
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm
I dumped that kilo and back to 84kg. Looks like I am gonna have to cram to get to 75kg by years end.
I have noticed my hands and feet have shrunk in diameter in teh last year. I am now getting a cm on my shoe velco, my hands have gone from 26 to 24cm and just measured my wrists and they have gone from 20 to 18cm.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:20 am
by Nobody
Nobody wrote:Yeah lower carb usually is great initially, but can become more difficult as time moves on.
What I meant by this is that the average low(er) carb diet is great for initial weight loss, but people can struggle over the longer term (years). The body appears to adapt. For health it's not recommended.
Patt0 wrote:I guess my waist has enough flaccidity that the measurements can be up or down depending on how hard I pull on the tape :oops: .
I find if I try to pull the tape lightly without looking while doing it, I get a more accurate reading. Obviously consistency is most important.
Patt0 wrote:What did you do after you did low carb?
Sorry for the confusion. I've got my impression of low-carb weight loss from studies and others' anecdotes. I'm whole food, low fat, plant only. Been at it for over 5 years and still light and relatively healthy considering my age (50) and other health impairments (Meniere's Disease, Haemochromatosis, shift worker).
Patt0 wrote:I dumped that kilo and back to 84kg. Looks like I am gonna have to cram to get to 75kg by years end.
About 5 and a half weeks to lose 9 kg. Yeah 5 kg may be relatively easy, but 9 kg is going to be tough.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:54 pm
by nemo57
Haven't checked in here since July, I think, when I was a bit under 85. The rate of loss has flattened out since then, and now ranging around 81.5-82.5. At over 12Kg lost since Boxing Day last year, I'm tolerably pleased. Don't really expect significant further loss, although it may happen if I maintain the weekly distance at over 200km, I guess.
Two other coincidences: having been on cholesterol lowering meds for years and years (I was in free game double digit territory at one stage: not really surprising that I had a stroke in my mid-40s) I've been taken off them as unnecessary; and cardiologist who two years ago was concerned that my heart was beating irregularly 24% of the time just told me he doesn't want to see me again. It's sorted itself out. Either that or he's given it up as hopeless.
Overall, I think I can theorise that spinning the legs is good for you. Even though at 61 I'm older than some of you, done a whole lot fewer miles over the years, still smoking, drinking and enjoying food that would make some of you shudder.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:04 pm
by Nobody
Congratulations on the gains.
nemo57 wrote:...having been on cholesterol lowering meds for years and years... I've been taken off them as unnecessary;
Do you remember the total cholesterol number you had that caused the GP to take you off the meds?

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:14 pm
by CKinnard
nemo57 wrote: Overall, I think I can theorise that spinning the legs is good for you. Even though at 61 I'm older than some of you, done a whole lot fewer miles over the years, still smoking, drinking and enjoying food that would make some of you shudder.
a bit dangerous to consider it an unqualified fact that spinning your legs is good for you.
It depends on
- how much fatty scar tissue you have in your heart muscle and conduction system
- how atherosclerotic your coronary arteries are
- how long you ride and subject your heart to stress
- how intense you ride.

If you are still eating a lot of crap and smoking, I wouldn't suggest you do intense sprints or ascents.
Arrhythmia, MI, or CVA would be a real risk.
Weight loss is one thing, undoing decades of damage is another.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:16 pm
by nemo57
Nobody wrote: Do you remember the total cholesterol number you had that caused the GP to take you off the meds?
Under 3 on a combined measure. Probably shooting up again now ...
CKinnard wrote: a bit dangerous to consider it an unqualified fact that spinning your legs is good for you.
It depends on
- how much fatty scar tissue you have in your heart muscle and conduction system
- how atherosclerotic your coronary arteries are
- how long you ride and subject your heart to stress
- how intense you ride.

If you are still eating a lot of crap and smoking, I wouldn't suggest you do intense sprints or ascents.
Arrhythmia, MI, or CVA would be a real risk.
Weight loss is one thing, undoing decades of damage is another.
I'm more of an all things in moderation type - including my bad habits. It's been a slow gentle buildup over the past 18 months. Bit by bit the distances grow longer, the impossible climbs become possible, the weight comes off. Let it hurt a bit, but there's no prizes for hurting too much. Still, my sleeping heart rate is low 40s and last BP measure was 120/70, which I'm told is fine.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:28 pm
by Nobody
nemo57 wrote:Under 3 on a combined measure. Probably shooting up again now ...
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that's pretty low.
nemo57 wrote:... last BP measure was 120/70, which I'm told is fine.
It's not bad, but under the latest categorisation, the systolic is edging into elevated.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pm
by nemo57
It's been a deal worse in the past! But tanx.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:45 am
by Nobody
26 days since last measurement.

Waist 74.5 cm - up 0.5
WHtR 0.433

61.4 kg - up 0.7
BMI 20.8

Goal ranges:- waist 73 - 76 cm; weight 60 - 64 kg[/quote]

It appears that the reintroduction of starch hasn't helped. 3 weeks to go, but I'm still 3 cm thinner and 3.9 kg lighter than I was at the beginning of the year.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:11 pm
by RobertL
RobertL wrote:I haven't posted properly for a while, but I have been consistently in the 94.something range over the last couple of weeks, with an outlier all-time low weight of 93.3kg when I was a bit dehydrated after a big group ride.

However, I go to South America for a month on Wednesday, so I will see what damage that does. There will be some days of serious hiking in there, and some lazy days, but no cycling. I will try to remain disciplined. :? :? :?
Got back last Friday, and it appears that my weight is unchanged after my holiday. Went for a group ride on Saturday, and my fitness is still good too. I'll just call all of that hiking "cross training".

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:55 am
by Nobody
RobertL wrote:Got back last Friday, and it appears that my weight is unchanged after my holiday...
Good news. Keeping in mind that you could have gained weight probably helped as well.

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9 days since last measurement.

Waist 74 cm - down 0.5
WHtR 0.430

60.2 kg - down 1.2
BMI 20.3

Goal ranges:- waist 73 - 76 cm; weight 60 - 64 kg[/quote]

Most of that weight loss would be my usual large fluctuations in hydration. I expect to weigh more at my next weigh-in. But my waist measurement is down, which I hope to keep for at least 13 days.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:49 am
by RobertL
Nobody wrote:
RobertL wrote:Got back last Friday, and it appears that my weight is unchanged after my holiday...
Good news. Keeping in mind that you could have gained weight probably helped as well.
Absolutely. There will be a few days of laziness and indulging over Christmas, but then back into it asap afterwards.

I will need to set some new goals for the new year!

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:28 am
by Nobody
8 days since last measurement.

Waist 73.5 cm - down 0.5
WHtR 0.427

60.6 kg - up 0.4
BMI 20.5

Goal ranges:- waist 73 - 76 cm; weight 60 - 64 kg[/quote]

In case this is my last weigh-in for the year, from my first weigh-in post here on 5th Jan, I lost 4 cm off my waist and 4.7 kg this year.

For those who think I may be too light, Kempner had an ideal weight chart which measured people fully clothed. I've coverted it to metric below. So fully clothed - including shoes - should add 2 kg. Also he wanted his patients under those figures, not at them for best health results. So I make it under by just 0.9 kg. IMO Kempner's figures give us an idea about how lax modern body weight ideals are for optimum health.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:12 pm
by CKinnard
Nobody wrote: For those who think I may be too light,.........
Nice way to see the year out.
I wish you all the best for the following Nobody!

BTW, Your image link isn't working.

Regarding 'too light', my preference is to 'put it to the test' as Greger would say... in this case, functional strength and endurance test, as being too light implies one is too weak.

Some tests of 'strength' to consider, including some I've used over the years for workplace fitness, and hardening.


- lift 50% of your bodyweight from the ground to chest level 20 times in 3 minutes.

- lift 75% of your bodyweight to waist level 3 times in 1 minute.

- hand grip strength (this is a reasonable metric of all manual dexterity - twisting lids, hand tool use) males should aim for a minimum 50kg via hand dynometer. Of the thousands of tests I've supervised, the highest I've ever measured was around 75kg by a diesel mechanic, 6ft6in, >130kg, about 35yo.

- shovel dirt from a ground pile to wheel barrows for 15 minutes non stop.

- push a fully loaded wheelbarrow 50 meters over a typical construction site.

- using an axe, chop a 30cm diameter hardwood tree down in under 10 minutes.

- using an assortment of tools (crow bar, fork, shovel, pick), dig a hole 60 cm deep with big enough diameter to insert 4x4 post (in any soil )

When we start looking more carefully at what 'weakness' is, we find 'strength' traditionally means functional ability to do stuff that had commercial and life sustaining value.

A sedentary person can appear to have healthy lean tissue volume, but that says nothing about their ability to use it.
A lighter person can appear to have too little lean tissue, but with superior intelligence and activity levels, they should be able to do most things a larger more muscular person can do, though in smaller steps.
i.e. rarely today is a person required to lift a weight greater than 50kg in any occupation. Instead they use their brains utilizing leverage and machines.

Further, the more lean tissue one carries, the bigger the workload for the kidneys and liver because these organs don't grow in proportion to lean tissue growth.

Our vital organs dictate there is some trade off between strength and longevity, that Western culture might take on board.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:19 pm
by Nobody
CKinnard wrote:Nice way to see the year out.
I wish you all the best for the following Nobody!
Thanks CK. :)
CKinnard wrote:BTW, Your image link isn't working.
Thanks for letting me know. I get this sometimes with Google Photos. I upload it and then add it to the shared folder, but it doesn't become shared for some reason. Once I turned off Sync (logged out) and restarted the computer, I could still see the image in Chrome, but not MS Edge. So I deleted the image in Google Photos, then uploaded it from inside the shared folder. Now I can see the image Edge when not synced. So hopefully it should be OK now.
CKinnard wrote:Regarding 'too light', my preference is to 'put it to the test' as Greger would say... in this case, functional strength and endurance test, as being too light implies one is too weak.

Some tests of 'strength' to consider...
- lift 75% of your bodyweight to waist level 3 times in 1 minute.
I've been a bit out of practice lately, but I can lift 67 kg about 10 times in a set which is less than a minute. When I'm practiced I can usually get to 15 reps without too much effort. So on that one at least I should pass.
CKinnard wrote: - hand grip strength (this is a reasonable metric of all manual dexterity - twisting lids, hand tool use) males should aim for a minimum 50kg via hand dynometer. Of the thousands of tests I've supervised, the highest I've ever measured was around 75kg by a diesel mechanic, 6ft6in, >130kg, about 35yo.
Never seen such a device. But I can hang from a bar for over 1 minute.
CKinnard wrote:A lighter person can appear to have too little lean tissue, but with superior intelligence and activity levels, they should be able to do most things a larger more muscular person can do, though in smaller steps.
Never found being smaller to be a hindrance for any average physical task other than reaching higher spots without a ladder. But I'm not what most would call sedentary.
CKinnard wrote:i.e. rarely today is a person required to lift a weight greater than 50kg in any occupation. Instead they use their brains utilizing leverage and machines.
Without getting too specific about what I do or where I work. We have amplifiers that get up to 47 kg which I sometimes lift by myself because I couldn't be bothered finding someone else for something I can do alone. That is when not in an awkward position.

I took a delivery last year of power cable on a drum and I thought it was lighter than it turned out to be, so got it off the truck by myself. It turned out to be 65 kg. I was glad I had been practising some dead lifts.
CKinnard wrote:Further, the more lean tissue one carries, the bigger the workload for the kidneys and liver because these organs don't grow in proportion to lean tissue growth.

Our vital organs dictate there is some trade off between strength and longevity, that Western culture might take on board.
Something to keep in mind. I see plenty of overgrown people - in various ways - around who can't be doing themselves any longevity favours. Most of those are probably of an age where they haven't really though about longevity yet.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:09 pm
by CKinnard
sorry, spelt it wrong
dynamometer

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:49 pm
by RobertL
A quick weigh-in this morning at 95.5kg. So I think that I have gained ~1kg over the holiday period. Not too bad, but time to get back into the usual routine now.

Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:16 pm
by Patt0
https://imgur.com/gallery/hnFcJYG
Patt0 wrote:
Another oops.

dec 01 or so

Height=183cm
WtHtr=0.46
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm
5 Jan

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.44
Weight=80kg
Waist= 79cm

My goal, steady 75kg.

Today.

another another oops. 86kg all other measurements still the same. As you can see in the photo. pronounced paunch, lack of muscle on the arms, not even enough energy to hold decent posture. My blood work must look terrible. I wonder what a vial of it looks like, because that is the true indicator of health.Well after a year of steak and ice cream I have learnt a few things.

Steak and ice cream are real tasty and easy to over eat.
All day ice cream binges are a good pre-fuelling strategy.

I guess in 2019 I had better burn some of that fuel. :oops: