Slip road to island?
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Slip road to island?
Postby Wixxy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:37 pm
Obviously the rules going across the crossing from footpath to island is well known, and what you have to then do at the main crossing with either a cycle lantern or not.
Am in WA.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby human909 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:27 pm
Want to know more? Read the road rules.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Aushiker » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:08 pm
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Scott_C » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 am
http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/view ... /s214.html
The part of interest:
"the rider of a bicycle shall not ride across a carriageway, or part of a carriageway, on a children’s crossing, marked foot crossing or pedestrian crossing."
Provided you don't ride across part of a carriageway on the crossing you should be OK. As always, this isn't legal advice.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Wixxy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:23 am
Okay so to be legal pull up to the kerb dismount on to the footpath and walk across the crossing?
Obviously with no crossing on the slip road I can just ride in to the island from the slip road.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Wixxy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:35 am
Complicated by a crossing, and that you're not going from one footpath to another but entering one end of the crossing from the road and only over a small portion of the crossing.human909 wrote:Briefly. Leaving or entering a road is largely a legal activity. This is what you are doing. Give way to others.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby uart » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:04 pm
It's funny how cycling is the only daily activity that I can think of where you constantly have to be worrying "is it legal for me to try and avoid being killed by a psychopath here, or might I get a fine for trying to do that?".
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Wixxy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:59 pm
Normally, I tend to wait for a gap in traffic if am going up to the lights, but with no gap and constant traffic I opt for the island from the left turn lane as am then "safely" tucked in to the left kerb.
Am taking from the responses it's illegal, so I'll now only do it with no crossing.
Okay for the pedestrian it gives a right of way, for the cyclist an inconvenience.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby AdelaidePeter » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:12 pm
I'm not sure what you mean by "get to the opposite lights". Do you mean you're turning right?Wixxy wrote:Exactly that yes. For a similar reason, mine being to get to the opposite lights.
Normally, I tend to wait for a gap in traffic if am going up to the lights, but with no gap and constant traffic I opt for the island from the left turn lane as am then "safely" tucked in to the left kerb.
Am taking from the responses it's illegal, so I'll now only do it with no crossing.
Okay for the pedestrian it gives a right of way, for the cyclist an inconvenience.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby AdelaidePeter » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:44 pm
This wouldn't be a problem in SA because, as of earlier this year, we can now ride on pedestrian crossings. Hopefully WA will follow suit soon. I think it's a strange loophole when cyclists are allowed to ride on footpaths but not crossings.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Scott_C » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:47 pm
It doesn't even give right of way to pedestrians. Pedestrians have right of way when crossing a slip lane with or without a marked pedestrian crossing.Wixxy wrote:Okay for the pedestrian it gives a right of way, for the cyclist an inconvenience.
WA Road Traffic Code 2000 REG 55
See also REG 56 for the equivalent rule at a T-intersection.(5) If a driver at an intersection is turning left using a slip lane, the driver shall give way to any pedestrian on the slip lane.
MainRoads WA have a written policy on providing pedestrian crossings at slip lanes that completely ignores the fact that they are banning bicycles from riding across the slip-lane in order to encourage drivers to follow a right of way that already applies without the marked crossing.
This is one of my go to examples for how cyclists are treated by the Government, because drivers can't be trusted to follow the road rules they implement a solution that bans bicycles merely to encourage drivers to do something they are already required to do.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Wixxy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:27 pm
Have you ever found them to remove a crossing following a complaint on these grounds?
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby human909 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:23 pm
How is that complicated?Wixxy wrote:Complicated by a crossing, and that you're not going from one footpath to another but entering one end of the crossing from the road and only over a small portion of the crossing.
Leaving the road and crossing a footpath is legal. (FOR ANY VEHICLE)
Riding on the footpath is legal. (For cyclists in WA)
What exactly are you suggesting is illegal?
I don't see the complication unless you are failing to give way to pedestrians on the footpath.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Wixxy » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:15 am
Thanks to everyone else on putting me right. Not everything is clear until you ask.
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Re: Slip road to island?
Postby Kronos » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:28 am
Yes, this, to use a crossing point you have to get off your bike unless its signed otherwise.Wixxy wrote:Thanks for the replies as always.
Okay so to be legal pull up to the kerb dismount on to the footpath and walk across the crossing?
Obviously with no crossing on the slip road I can just ride in to the island from the slip road.
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