WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
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WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby Cheesewheel » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:25 pm
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-0 ... fmredir=sm
A council in the south-west of WA could become the first in the state to ban cyclists from a road because of new rules that require motorists to give riders a 1-metre buffer when overtaking.
The laws are designed to keep cyclists safe, but there has been criticism regional roads are not wide enough for the 1-metre rule, forcing trucks and road trains off the bitumen and onto gravel as they overtake riders.
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The Dardanup Shire Council is proposing to stop cyclists from using a narrow section of Harris Road, a busy one-lane road used by trucks
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The council has already approached Main Roads about the legality of closing the road to cyclists.
In a statement Main Roads said a local government did have the authority to close a road to vehicles of any class, including cyclists if it deemed it necessary.
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The proposal is open for public comment, but if it does go ahead the council is aware it would be difficult to enforce.
Cr Bennett said the council would not have rangers policing the road.
Sounds like a council approved punishment pass zone.
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Postby Thoglette » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:13 pm
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby g-boaf » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:21 pm
Perhaps the council needs to be disbanded and the councillors can go find new jobs. Maybe the road (if it is the one I think it is) could have a shoulder added on either side. That would be a simple solution.Thoglette wrote:Fine if they're going to build a PSP next to the road.
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby Cycleops70 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:25 pm
If this succeeds, then I suspect there will be more of this to come.
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Postby eldavo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:35 pm
Go country ingenuity! Aussie Aussie Aussie!!
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby Thoglette » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:08 pm
According to the ABC article, the road is 15m wide, which is a standard road width.Cycleops70 wrote:If the road is not wide enough to accommodate bicycles,
The complaint is that truckies might have to obey the law and cross the white lines in the middle. (You know that flames leap from the road and the sky boils black and red when you do that)
This is a slap-down, nothing more, nothing less.
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Postby hiflange » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:30 am
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Postby Tequestra » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:01 pm
I guess except up hills or around corners that follow the contours of the hills where practicable to reduce the gradients ... for overloaded, underpowered log trucks!eeksll wrote:I dont get it, how can it be too narrow. Won't the truck have the entire opposite lane to use as well?
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Postby AUbicycles » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:22 pm
I get it that it appears to be a stretch of road where it is harder to pass legally with the effect that traffic is backed up. I would also assume that that as a result there are ongoing a very long delays to motor vehicle.
If bike riders are using this route, there is obviously demand so the council should respond by providing a solution... and there are many of these that will save them from stupidity.
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby DavidS » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:14 pm
Simple solution: if the road is not fit for one type of road vehicle, then close it for all.
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Postby Cheesewheel » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:49 pm
I recall an incident a few years ago on the M1 near the Qld/Nsw border, where a driver killed a cyclist. Even though bicycles are prohibited on that stretch (by Qld state govt I believe), the forensics closed down the whole part for quite a few hours (part of the schmozzle was that because it happened a few 100m into Nsw, so they had to fly in a forensic team from Sydney) while they determined how events played out and who was at fault (iirc, the fact that the cyclist was in a place where he shouldn't have been didn't influence the legal findings .... apparently it was pretty cut and dry, with the cyclist veering out into 100km/hr traffic).
If push comes to shove (or pass comes to crunch?), I wonder to what degree this council ruling would determine legal outcones?
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby human909 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:31 am
Another example of the systemic intolerance of cyclists in Australia. This one another egregious example of our government doing so, not only failing to protect vulnerable citizens but suggesting that it is their fault if somebody else does harm to them.
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Postby NASHIE » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:05 am
The council approved the industrial subdivision on what appears to be a quite rural backroad so have full responsibility of ensure its safe to use for all forms of transport. Obviously the horse has bolted in making it a condition the developers upgrade the road and now lays fully in their lap to fix for all users.
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Postby Bob_Hornsby » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:09 pm
At the same hours, it would help immensely to cyclists if the left lane is T3.
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby queequeg » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:27 pm
IN the context of this particular proposal is that it is not safe to pass a cyclist on these roads, then it must logically follow that there is insufficient space to pass a car or a truck, and the entire stretch of road should be made no overtaking or passing at any time. I am sure if they did that, there would be howls of protest from motorists saying what rubbish that was, and that there is plenty of room to pass.
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby wicksey » Mon May 14, 2018 11:16 am
Please be advised that the above matter was considered by Council at its meeting held on , whereby it was resolved: -
OFFICER RECOMMENDED RESOLUTION & COUNCIL RESOLUTION 120-18
MOVED -Cr. P S Robinson
SECONDED -Cr. C N Boyce
THAT Council:
1. Does not proceed with the proposed closure of Harris Road to cyclists.
2. Acknowledges that the upgrade of Harris Road is being progressed through the Regional Road Group and the Shire’s Forward Capital Works Programs.
3. As an interim safety measure, installs shared road use signs on Harris Road similar in style to those installed on Ferguson Road, to be installed at the Shire Boundary and at the Martin Pelusey Road intersection.
4. Request Main Roads WA to review the speed limit on Harris Road.
5. Request that cyclists ride single file on Harris Road.
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby Thoglette » Mon May 14, 2018 11:36 am
Thanks !wicksey wrote:Outcome has been reached -
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Re: WA proposal to ban cyclists in response to safe passing laws
Postby Cyclophiliac » Tue May 15, 2018 8:12 am
The last bit is a bit of a worry, though. You can guarantee that as soon as the council or state roads body (I can't recall what it's called in W.A, too long since I lived there) installs a "Cyclists [please] ride single file" (or something similar) sign on this road, motorists will demand that cyclists ride single file, even though the sign will have no legal force.wicksey wrote:Outcome has been reached -
Please be advised that the above matter was considered by Council at its meeting held on , whereby it was resolved: -
OFFICER RECOMMENDED RESOLUTION & COUNCIL RESOLUTION 120-18
MOVED -Cr. P S Robinson
SECONDED -Cr. C N Boyce
THAT Council:
1. Does not proceed with the proposed closure of Harris Road to cyclists.
2. Acknowledges that the upgrade of Harris Road is being progressed through the Regional Road Group and the Shire’s Forward Capital Works Programs.
3. As an interim safety measure, installs shared road use signs on Harris Road similar in style to those installed on Ferguson Road, to be installed at the Shire Boundary and at the Martin Pelusey Road intersection.
4. Request Main Roads WA to review the speed limit on Harris Road.
5. Request that cyclists ride single file on Harris Road.
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