Re: Repeat offenders - driving whilst disqualified....how to fix?
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:36 pm
Give them a bicycle.
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I agree, people should value their license etc. But the reality is that we have repeat offenders no matter what we think they should or should not do. And the courts are the ones faced with trying to deal with it. Prison is an option, but at about $80,000 per year per inmate it diverts a lot of money away from schools and hospitals.BJL wrote: Then people should value their driver's license at little more and stop acting like morons on the roads.
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I'll get out the popcorn!
b4igo wrote:Give them a bicycle.
This is an interesting article - although I notice that Scruby is still getting attention.hunch wrote:Looks like the NSW government has decided life without a car is simply impossible. If what old Screwloose says is true, prison time seems the only education that might work for some -
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ple ... 4ziz7.html
Colleague at work had the same thing happen, only he hadn't moved house. He may have been OS or something when the election was held, or possibly even voted, but marked off incorrectly. Somehow he'd missed the reminders. Ended up he had been driving work vehicles for several weeks with a suspended licence and had no idea. Took a bit of work to sort it out too.DrShifty wrote:The article points out that suspending somebody's license can happen for things unrelated to driving, which was my son's experience.
He was visiting with us a few years ago and somehow licenses came up. He looked at his license and saw that it needed renewing the following day. He couldn't remember getting a reminder, so he headed to the local RMS office to renew it. They couldn't do it, telling him his license had been suspended and he'd been driving illegally. He had no idea why and they could not tell him. The computer said it was a State Debt Recovery order.
Good line from one of the comments:hunch wrote:Looks like the NSW government has decided life without a car is simply impossible. If what old Screwloose says is true, prison time seems the only education that might work for some -
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ple ... 4ziz7.html
12000 per annum charged, 75% snub the law and continue driving? I wonder how many of these upstanding citizens demand cyclists should be licensed?
OT a bit, but the being fined for not voting bizzo happens to me every second election, sometimes two or three in a row. I always vote out of my electorate, and for whatever reason it gets overlooked or something. I once sent in a dated copy of a text I'd sent to my family I had sent from the polling booth where I'd been berating the Greens spruiker for using a car (I was on my bike, and it was Nth Fitzroy) as proof that I'd voted . It's now standard practice for me to take a photo of the location or booth to keep for the upcoming notice.DrShifty wrote:He called the Debt office and was told he had an unpaid fine for not voting in the Bathurst council election. He pointed out he hadn't lived in Bathurst for years and was registered to vote where he now lived. Apparently between leaving Bathurst and registering elsewhere they'd had a council election. He'd been missed, been fined, and been suspended from driving - for a $30 unpaid fine.
He told the person he had to drive home to work tomorrow and needed to get it sorted. She very nicely said, 'If you were to tell me your reason for not voting, such as being sick on the day, I can enter that and the fine will be cleared on the RMS system'. So he said he'd been sick on the day, she thanked him for straightening out their records, and cleared the fine. He drove back to RMS and they could now renew his license.
The only thing that will stop unlicenced driving is if prison isn't an option.AdelaidePeter wrote:Prison needs to be an option.antigee wrote:came across this article:
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/542 ... to-prison/
which begs the question - what can be done to prevent disqualified drivers from getting behind the wheel? - in this case was caught but simply got a further ban
not just worrying for cyclist but for any road user from a casual reading of the news repeat offenders and disqualified drivers or past disqualified drivers seem to more often than not feature in the deaths of other road users
In another thread today I wrote that I wouldn't object to drivers who cause a death getting a massive license cancellation (like 20 years) instead of gaol; but then gaol needs to be an option for those who drive anyway.
In the case of this guy, if he's not going to prison, I hope he gets regular, unannounced checks by the police to check he's not driving. I know this is possible because this happened to someone I know who committed a much more minor (non-driving) offence. Even checking on him daily would be a fraction of the cost of putting him in prison.
It's also appalling that he is only disqualified for 6 months.
Car seized for the SIXTH time!!?? Say What?Mububban wrote:Chance after chance after chance after chance....
What you are saying then is NOT mandatory sentencing.BJL wrote:human909 wrote: Your suggestion of mandatory gaol for road deaths would seem grossly unjust for say a loving parent who accidentally reverses over their toddler. Adding goal time on top of the loss of their child is horrendous. Not to mention further tearing apart the rest of the family.Okay, you've both made good points. Obviously there'd have to be allowances for exceptional circumstances. But not to the point where everyone gets off like the two who got off bashing a paramedic. I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong and backtrack a little.AdelaidePeter wrote:Not necessarily, if the shooting is accidental. Same for other types of accidental deaths. I'm uncomfortable with mandatory jail sentencing.
Yep. Groundhog day. Pretty well sums up what we see reported anyway. Even worse the same seemingly applies to Apprehended Violence Orders.jules21 wrote:there are some good suggestions in this thread. my view is that sanctions should increase progressively. there isn't one single answer. get DQ'd once - standard sanctions. twice - sanctions are ramped up. eventually, maybe jail. the problem is that it seems to be like Groundhog Day with some drivers, where there stops being any higher penalties so they have nothing left to lose by re-offending.
A dog that bites a human though, gets put down. So they won't do it again. 'Too dangerous to be left alive'. Isn't that what they say?outnabike wrote:I reckon you have to be fair about it.
A dog that bites a sheep gets retrained. If that doesn't work and he keeps biting other animals he gets chained to his Kennel.
If that doesn't work the chain gets up graded in weight and he doesn't get to go out with the pack.
Further indiscretions require the dog to be re balanced ie, a small lead weight is attached to the rear of his head, beside his ear.
You see, the fact that the dog has a litter of puppies that will have no dad has to be balanced against your own family being wiped out by an uncaring un-remorseful idiot.