Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby AUbicycles » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:57 pm
This drive system suits urban riding so 'efficiency' is not an issue as it would be for sports cycling. Gear range depends on the hub but that can be an argument if you need specifies ratios or a range that an internal geared hub can't deliver.
Belt drives can't be broken (to connect) so typically on the right seat stay or chain stay, the frame can be 'broken' to allow the belt drive to be changes... and while there are some nice coupling solutions out there, for sports bikes it is an additional issue when the priority is light-weight + strength.
That said, if the belt drives can get through, we would likely see it in MTBing first.
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby warthog1 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:05 pm
Informative thanksAUbicycles wrote:Try and have a ride - for curiosity.
This drive system suits urban riding so 'efficiency' is not an issue as it would be for sports cycling. Gear range depends on the hub but that can be an argument if you need specifies ratios or a range that an internal geared hub can't deliver.
Belt drives can't be broken (to connect) so typically on the right seat stay or chain stay, the frame can be 'broken' to allow the belt drive to be changes... and while there are some nice coupling solutions out there, for sports bikes it is an additional issue when the priority is light-weight + strength.
That said, if the belt drives can get through, we would likely see it in MTBing first.
I am in no position to try one really and I am in the sportive use segment plus I like to climb, so range would be an issue.
I run 52/36 and 11-32.
I accept others have different requirements and may find them viable.
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Postby AUbicycles » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:20 pm
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Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:01 pm
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Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:01 pm
it is incremental sure, but you are wrong. Try a set of deep section carbon wheels.singlespeedscott wrote:Even with all the fancy tech getting about, 90% of those I ride with are no faster than me on my old steel steeds. Those that are, are because of fitness, not tech. Nothing introduced on a modern bicycle has made them any faster than a bike built 50 years ago.
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Postby AUbicycles » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:01 pm
I beg to differ.... The fairings on a modern Time Trial bike, is not for looks! Deep profile wheels have a big impact and when you are looking for diminishing returns, there are watts to be found in different aspects where the technology or implementation was not available 50 years ago.singlespeedscott wrote:Nothing introduced on a modern bicycle has made them any faster than a bike built 50 years ago.
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:54 pm
1) Mavic R-Sys SLR
At 200W (200W actual, 201W normalized) – Distance travelled: 5120m at 30.7 kph
At 300W (299W actual, 299W normalized) – Distance travelled: 6070m at 36.4 kph
2) Enve Smart 4.5
At 200W (202W actual, 203W normalized) – Distance travelled: 5460m at 32.7 kph
At 300W (301W actual, 302 normalized) – Distance travelled: 6442m at 38.6 kph
3) Hed GT3 Trispoke and Lightweight Autobahn
At 200W (200W actual, 202W normalized) – Distance travelled: 5520m at 33.1 kph
At 300W (300W actual, 300 normalized) – Distance travelled: 6600m at 39.6 kph
The results suggest that even when travelling at just 200W there is a significant aero benefit to some deeper wheels.
Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/cyc ... dDOx2r1.99
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Postby MichaelB » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:45 am
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby warthog1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:06 pm
You are a disc brake user are you not?MichaelB wrote:Meh, I'll use whatever tech works for me. Generally, that is also goverened by funds available, so I don't tend to be able to use much tech ....
Considering it requires a completely new bike to adopt, I'd class that as one of the more expensive tech developments to buy
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Postby MichaelB » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:19 pm
Was buying a new bike anyway. Disc brakes are one of those 'no brainer' good things and worth the investment.warthog1 wrote:You are a disc brake user are you not?MichaelB wrote:Meh, I'll use whatever tech works for me. Generally, that is also goverened by funds available, so I don't tend to be able to use much tech ....
Considering it requires a completely new bike to adopt, I'd class that as one of the more expensive tech developments to buy
My funds (or lack of them) meant that I couldn't go Di2, SRAM or deep dish wheels for the new build. Some things like light cranks are s/hand or just "want what I have"
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby warthog1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:53 pm
I have more trouble going than stopping lol
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Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:12 pm
They use deeper wheels then me on my 32 hole clinchers and it doesn’t make them any fasterAUbicycles wrote:I beg to differ.... The fairings on a modern Time Trial bike, is not for looks! Deep profile wheels have a big impact and when you are looking for diminishing returns, there are watts to be found in different aspects where the technology or implementation was not available 50 years ago.singlespeedscott wrote:Nothing introduced on a modern bicycle has made them any faster than a bike built 50 years ago.
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby outnabike » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:20 pm
I see where you are coming from mate, but my bike is probably hi tech in unknown areas. Take this new fangled horn....just press a rubber bubble.... no batteries, and frightens the bejesus out of the peds....that's progress.warthog1 wrote:Discs are out of the question for me. Multiple sets of wheels and bikes I am in no position to replace anytime soon.
I have more trouble going than stopping lol
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Postby MichaelB » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:01 pm
Ditto, but I also like hills, so need tio stop.warthog1 wrote: I have more trouble going than stopping lol
And only have n=1
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Postby warthog1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:48 pm
I like em too, stopping is fine as is, but we are headed into pointless territory.MichaelB wrote:Ditto, but I also like hills, so need tio stop.warthog1 wrote: I have more trouble going than stopping lol
And only have n=1
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Postby warthog1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:51 pm
Read the link I posted. Deep section wheels are demonstrably and measurably faster.singlespeedscott wrote:They use deeper wheels then me on my 32 hole clinchers and it doesn’t make them any fasterAUbicycles wrote:I beg to differ.... The fairings on a modern Time Trial bike, is not for looks! Deep profile wheels have a big impact and when you are looking for diminishing returns, there are watts to be found in different aspects where the technology or implementation was not available 50 years ago.singlespeedscott wrote:Nothing introduced on a modern bicycle has made them any faster than a bike built 50 years ago.
There is no question.
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby Calvin27 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:55 pm
ebikesinglespeedscott wrote:Even with all the fancy tech getting about, 90% of those I ride with are no faster than me on my old steel steeds. Those that are, are because of fitness, not tech. Nothing introduced on a modern bicycle has made them any faster than a bike built 50 years ago.
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby Duck! » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:11 am
Given the known shortfalls of automotive ABS systems on unsealed surfaces, I put ABS on MTB in the "utterly useless and potentially dangerous" basket - certainly not something I'd be looking for in a future bike purchase.Nobody wrote:I don't know what benefit there will be with ABS for off road use, as even dirt road corregations can confuse car ABS systems.
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Postby jules21 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:54 am
they give you a cab voucher. they won't fix your bikeCardy George wrote:Funnily enough for an extra yearly subscription RACV will come out for your bike too, although I'm not going to waste the money finding out how far off road they will go......
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby jules21 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:08 am
no doubt aero wheels do make you go faster, but according to studies you can get better gains from cheaper items like clothing (skinsuit), helmet, booties, etc. of course you don't have to choose between themAUbicycles wrote:I beg to differ.... The fairings on a modern Time Trial bike, is not for looks! Deep profile wheels have a big impact and when you are looking for diminishing returns, there are watts to be found in different aspects where the technology or implementation was not available 50 years ago.
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Re: Will your Next Bike be Smart? ABS and other intelligent bike tech
Postby AUbicycles » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:54 pm
But you can also drink less beer or wine and do more training and get a great position on the bike. (Less beer, wine and gourmet food will actually save you money).
To be fair, a wheelset upgrade is an upgrade that will have the biggest and most noticeable effect. But for a bit more cash you can also switch out all the bolts on the bike to Titanium.
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