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Re: SRAM 22
Postby MichaelB » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:38 am
Because that's what the Pro's use (just like the std crank), so all cyclists must need the same !!!!petal665 wrote:Why do they insist on starting a cassette with an 11? What's wrong with a 12?
Looks like I'll have to buy a DA cassette when my team gets the new SRAM in a few months. Stupid SRAM.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Ross » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:57 am
It's interesting that as well as hydraulic disc brakes they now have hydraulic rim brakes as well. Can anyone tell me the purpose behind hydraulic rim brakes?
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:00 am
Better in the wet
More braking power.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Ross » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:04 am
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:09 am
Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:09 am
But policing sock height is more important to them.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:15 am
Reading CX forums and it seems that a large number of them prefer to stick with Canti's including all of the top 10 men and 9 of the top 10 women in the recent WC's .petal665 wrote:Cyclo cross.
Better in the wet
More braking power.
As someone on one of the forums said, CX brakes are for slowing you, not stopping.
Plus they feel that Canti's provide far better mud clearance than any other type of rim brakes. I guess this is not an issue in Australia where riding around a football field jumping over foot high "barriers" is considered CX though.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:16 am
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby jasonc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:30 am
I'd want a CX for commuting. stopping is important. hydro discs would be on the list very near the topsumgy wrote:As someone on one of the forums said, CX brakes are for slowing you, not stopping.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:34 am
I would hope so too.jasonc wrote:I'd want a CX for commuting. stopping is important. hydro discs would be on the list very near the topsumgy wrote:As someone on one of the forums said, CX brakes are for slowing you, not stopping.
You are not a CX racer.
You are a commuter.
Nothing alike.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby skull » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:34 am
Ross wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sra ... ical-group
It's interesting that as well as hydraulic disc brakes they now have hydraulic rim brakes as well. Can anyone tell me the purpose behind hydraulic rim brakes?
I had hydraulic v brakes years ago. Good stoppers
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby AUbicycles » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:15 pm
I checked out the video of bleeding the SRAM 22 rim brakes and it seemed like a painful process compared to bleeding a disc brake. It is a bit fiddly with the calipers.
SRAM 22 Hydraulic Rim Brake Bleed Proceedure
SRAM 22 Hydraulic Disc Brake Bleed Proceedure
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:56 pm
I would love to try hydraulic rim brakes, if they reduce the amount of effort and offer good modulation I would be tempted to change. So disc brakes on a roadie don't appeal to me, although I understand the undeniable benefits of better wet braking, no heat in the rim etc.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:00 pm
Dave, what brakes are you running on your road bike?Dave R32 wrote:I like the look of the new Force groupset, may have to start saving the dollars for an upgrade I think.
I would love to try hydraulic rim brakes, if they reduce the amount of effort and offer good modulation I would be tempted to change. So disc brakes on a roadie don't appeal to me, although I understand the undeniable benefits of better wet braking, no heat in the rim etc.
Cheers
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I can 1 finger stop on my SRAM Red brakes no problem at all.
Obviously it takes a bit more stopping distance in the wet but then again we should leave ourselves more room to stop in those conditions regardless of what vehicle we are in control of.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Ross » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:20 pm
I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.petal665 wrote:Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 pm
EDIT: Nevermind, now I'm totally confused.Ross wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.petal665 wrote:Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:00 pm
No need for a frame upgrade this yearRoss wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:43 pm
SRAM Force.sumgy wrote:
Dave, what brakes are you running on your road bike?
I can 1 finger stop on my SRAM Red brakes no problem at all.
Obviously it takes a bit more stopping distance in the wet but then again we should leave ourselves more room to stop in those conditions regardless of what vehicle we are in control of.
Cheers
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:51 pm
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?Dave R32 wrote:SRAM Force.sumgy wrote:
Dave, what brakes are you running on your road bike?
I can 1 finger stop on my SRAM Red brakes no problem at all.
Obviously it takes a bit more stopping distance in the wet but then again we should leave ourselves more room to stop in those conditions regardless of what vehicle we are in control of.
Cheers
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I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:07 pm
My brakes work fine, I just think that hydraulic would take less effort to apply than cable brakes.sumgy wrote:
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.
Cheers
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:09 pm
Than 1 finger?Dave R32 wrote:My brakes work fine, I just think that hydraulic would take less effort to apply than cable brakes.sumgy wrote:
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.
Cheers
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Like mind control??
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:13 pm
Yep.sumgy wrote:Than 1 finger?Dave R32 wrote:My brakes work fine, I just think that hydraulic would take less effort to apply than cable brakes.sumgy wrote:
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.
Cheers
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby LM324 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:31 pm
Bolded part still relevant I think.Ross wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.petal665 wrote:Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
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Re: SRAM 22
Postby kb » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:48 am
Answered above my Mulger BillPhilipthelam wrote:Bolded part still relevant I think.Ross wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.petal665 wrote:Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.
Mulger bill wrote:No need for a frame upgrade this yearRoss wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.
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