Was he having a lend of me? Hed Belgium + for $700

[DaveQB]

I used some fulcrum 5s for road, then CX, then commuting, then was hit by a car which broke my collarbone, they were still true after all that. Good factory option.

Impressive!

[CXCommuter]

I used some fulcrum 5s for road, then CX, then commuting, then was hit by a car which broke my collarbone, they were still true after all that. Good factory option.

Or... If you don't mind paying shipping and perhaps getting your LBS to tweak the tension on them later, this is a straight up banger of a wheelset. Great hubs, great rims, great price.
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If you can't fit tyres to TCR/TLR rims, you're doing it wrong, start opposite the valve, get the bead down in the well and go from there.

Perhaps you should instil your infinite wisdom on this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=83462

Aside from yourself it is universally known that installing a tyre and tube on tubeless ready rims is typically more difficult than onto a "traditional" non tubeless ready rim.

[Blakeylonger]

Perhaps you should instil your infinite wisdom on this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=83462

Aside from yourself it is universally known that installing a tyre and tube on tubeless ready rims is typically more difficult than onto a "traditional" non tubeless ready rim.

whatevs duder. I never said it was equally easy, I said; start opposite the valve, get the bead in the centre well, then work your way around the tyre, this is contrary to 'conventional wisdom' for fitting clinchers and it catches most people out initially, but there's logic behind it. Obviously it's going to be a little harder than a trad clincher rim, but I've had lever snapping 90s Campy rims that have been even harder to install tyres onto than the tubeless setups I use, be they TL or tubed. If you put a wire bead tyre on a TLR rim for some reason, yeah, it's going to be tough, and super tough to get it back off the bead shelf, likewise, if you use a traditional rim tape on a TLR rim instead of tape you'll be in for a ton of headaches with tubed setups.

And in reference to GP4000s on 6800s, I had zero issues getting GP4000s in 23 and 25mm and Ultremo ZX 23s onto WH-7850 which uses a very similar TLR scandium-aluminium alloy extrusion with bead shelf and no internal spoke drilling.

[Rex]

The set for $700. He was saying it was a great deal and if they bought the parts in again it would cost a lot more. He weighed the set in front of me and they were 2.0-2.1 kg

That is heavy, but excuse the silly question but did it have cassette/tyres on them?

[ldrcycles]

start opposite the valve, get the bead in the centre well, then work your way around the tyre, this is contrary to 'conventional wisdom' for fitting clinchers and it catches most people out initially.

But that's exactly the way clinchers are normally fitted?

[Blakeylonger]

start opposite the valve, get the bead in the centre well, then work your way around the tyre, this is contrary to 'conventional wisdom' for fitting clinchers and it catches most people out initially.

But that's exactly the way clinchers are normally fitted?

*most* cyclists can barely change a tube full stop, and the 'conventional' tubed clincher wisdom for many is to start at the valve with the tube/stem up in the tyre and work around from there to finish opposite the valve. This doesn't work for tubeless as the valve doesn't move and the internal protrusion takes up well space and reduces slack to get the bead on.

[vnbozza]

The weight doesn't seem right at all - did it have tyres and cassette on?

HED Ardenne CL wheelsets (which use a HED Belgium rim, but a HED hub) has a 24\28 spoke count are 1630grams - can't see some extra spokes a a different hub adding up to over 400g of weight

Incidently - HED Ardennes CL's retail for a bit over $1000 - so on that comparison, $700 sounds ballpark right (not a super deal, but not a rippoff either), dependent if the weight is wrong and the LBS give you warranty.

As mentioned before, HED Belgiums get a lot of good reviews for toughness and handling and are the first choice for many wheelbuilders for an all-rounder stiff wheel, as well as h plus son archetype.

That been said - unless you are a Clydesdale or pump out crazy wattages or ride offroad a lot, 32 spoke sounds like overkill for your riding, so wheelsets like Fulcrums are probably better value for money.

[lynskey_rider]

Have to agree with Blakeylonger here, those Bontrager paired spoke wheel sets have a less than stirling reputation when it comes to cracking rims. 87kg isn't exactly huge. Just get some wheels that are well built.
Suggestions above have all been great options, just depends on your budget!