First of all apologies about the PUN, I could not help it.
I want to get back on to cycling with the ultimate goal of riding through Japan (with a friend)towards the end of next near so I believe my training starts now.
We aim on doing about 60-80 km daily rides for a period of 3-4 weeks. Although, a little out of shape now, I am generally healthy.
My question is:
As a started what kind of bike should I be looking at? And what kind of milage am I aiming for: day/week?
I understand that I may need to start off with one bike and later down the track switch to another?
All your suggestions will be much appreciated.
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Re: Getting Back on the Gear
Postby Duck! » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:59 pm
Don't know where that idea came from. If you have a particular objective in mind, then go straight to the type of bike that best fits the target from the start. What's appropriate will depend whether you'll be riding fully self-sufficient and will need to carry all your stuff, or have some support crew to carry most of your gear, just leaving you with the essentials for the day's ride to carry on board. If you're able to travel light, an "endurance" road bike such as the Giant Contend or Defy, or Specialized Roubaix, to name just a couple of starting references would work well. If you need carrying capability, something more robust & commuting/touring oriented such as the Giant Toughroad or Anyroad may be more suitable.pitufon wrote:I understand that I may need to start off with one bike and later down the track switch to another?
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: Getting Back on the Gear
Postby nickobec » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:19 pm
+1 to what Duck said, get the right bike for the job now. Start getting use to it now, find out what works for you and what does not.
As Duck said are you going to be self supported and carry your own gear or travelling light, with others carrying your gear?
Also are you travelling over hilly or flat ground? The effort to carry your gear over 60kms on hills is a lot more than 80km on the flat with no gear.
Start easy now, slowly (only 20% increase max distance, weekly total) building up over time, longer distances, higher frequency, more luggage (if self supported). Until 6 weeks before you are riding 80km a day for two weeks solid. Then ease back and do more intensity (go climb hills), until it is time to leave.
As Duck said are you going to be self supported and carry your own gear or travelling light, with others carrying your gear?
Also are you travelling over hilly or flat ground? The effort to carry your gear over 60kms on hills is a lot more than 80km on the flat with no gear.
Start easy now, slowly (only 20% increase max distance, weekly total) building up over time, longer distances, higher frequency, more luggage (if self supported). Until 6 weeks before you are riding 80km a day for two weeks solid. Then ease back and do more intensity (go climb hills), until it is time to leave.
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Re: Getting Back on the Gear
Postby pitufon » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:33 am
Thank you both.
I guess that's the million dollar question. At this stage, I don't know if someone will be assisting. Would it be hard to find someone to assist should I go down that path, probably not.
I'll go down to the local bike shop and have a chat to the guys about the recommended bikes. I was always fond of the Fuji bikes. Are these any good? Any good shops around Melbourne?
I guess that's the million dollar question. At this stage, I don't know if someone will be assisting. Would it be hard to find someone to assist should I go down that path, probably not.
I'll go down to the local bike shop and have a chat to the guys about the recommended bikes. I was always fond of the Fuji bikes. Are these any good? Any good shops around Melbourne?
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Re: Getting Back on the Gear
Postby RonK » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:07 am
Even a bike shop will not be able to make a recommendation until you settle on your mode of travel. If you are going to be supported (i.e. you don't need to haul your own luggage) then an endurance road bike will be fine. Otherwise you will need to consider a touring bike with racks and panniers, or bikepacking if you can travel ultralight.pitufon wrote:Thank you both.
I guess that's the million dollar question. At this stage, I don't know if someone will be assisting. Would it be hard to find someone to assist should I go down that path, probably not.
I'll go down to the local bike shop and have a chat to the guys about the recommended bikes. I was always fond of the Fuji bikes. Are these any good? Any good shops around Melbourne?
The are plenty of touring companies in Japan that offer supported rides, but I think you will find these quite expensive. I prefer the freedom of independence.
A tour of the length of Japan is just short of 4000km. This will take around 50 cycling days if you can average 80km per day. This does not allow for rest days or any sightseeing or side trips of course. My preference is to have a least one non-riding day per week.
Recently I've been considering a tour in Japan for myself, and my preliminary research has turned up the Japan Cycling Navigator website. I suggest you take some time to research this site, which offers a plethora of advice and information. I'm thinking a little less ambitiously though, and have been looking at riding from Kyoto to Fukuoka (well, the reverse actually) along this route. With 3-4 weeks available this route (around 1000km), which crosses the Seto Inland Sea may suit you too. An article by Cycling Tips about the Inland Sea is what piqued my interest in touring Japan.
As an experienced touring cyclist I can say that fitness wise, you don't need to go overboard with the training. If you can manage three or four rides a week at a steady pace over distances varying between say 30km to 60km with the occasional longer ride, then you will be fine. The key is to plan an itinerary with easy days in the first week so you can ease into the rhythm and find your legs. It is not a race, so it is absolutely not necessary to train by riding 80km per day for two weeks at a time. In fact, your preparation time is better invested in research.
An 80km day is not difficult (even if riding a loaded bike over hilly terrain) when you have all day to do it and can ride at an easy pace (15-20kph) with plenty of breaks and a nice long lunch stop. Generally I aim to ride around 80km per day, but some days I've covered up to 130km, others as little as 40km. And if you are camping you'll be going to bed soon after dark, so you'll get plenty of rest.
Finally, if you choose touring mode then start your research in the cycle touring sub-forums, where you will find a raft of information, and even advice from members who have already visited Japan. And for a touring bike I would recommend the Vivente World Randonneur, this is the touring bike of choice for many forum members.
Then continue your research in the Japan journals at crazyguyonabike.com, where there is much to be learned from the experience of those who have gone before you.
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Re: Getting Back on the Gear
Postby pitufon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:44 pm
I ended up getting a Giant Defy 2 advanced 2017. Awesome bike, although being in Melbourne it started bucketing down and didn't get a chance to ride it.
In terms of apps/GPS trackers, which one are the better ones out there?
EDIT: And thank you RonK lots of reading for me to do on your recommendations.
In terms of apps/GPS trackers, which one are the better ones out there?
EDIT: And thank you RonK lots of reading for me to do on your recommendations.
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Re: Getting Back on the Gear
Postby RonK » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:56 pm
Here is another suggestion for you - consider contacting and perhaps joining forces for perhaps some of the ride with Allan, another Aussie who is planning a 10 Week Tour of Japan 2017 and has been before so he knows the ropes.pitufon wrote:I ended up getting a Giant Defy 2 advanced 2017. Awesome bike, although being in Melbourne it started bucketing down and didn't get a chance to ride it.
In terms of apps/GPS trackers, which one are the better ones out there?
EDIT: And thank you RonK lots of reading for me to do on your recommendations.
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