Help deciding between 2 road bikes
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Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby mitteh » Tue May 29, 2018 7:04 am
Fairly new to cycling community although I've ridden bikes my whole life (23 yo). The last 2 years I've been commuting to work in Sydney around 10km each way with a couple short climbs. I owned a Reid Harrier 3-Speed and then upgraded to a Polygon Path i8 but it got stolen so I'm looking to upgrade. I have also ridden my 3 speed to Wollongong once and surprisingly enjoyed the ride, even though some hills through the royal national park killed me.
I am moving so my commute will involve lots of hills, the biggest of which is nearly 3km and an average incline of 5% (which to me doesn't sound like much but its steep and never ending when I drive up it lol). I am really set on moving towards a road bike from a commuter style bike. Something that can tackle hills, and something that I can explore cycling a bit more - I already plan to ride to Palm Beach once I get my riding fitness back up a bit. Now I know some people say I should get a road bike for commuting but I'll be doing a lot of riding, hills and through all my research and shopping around, I am getting very excited about cycling and getting into it a bit more.
So I've been to my LBS a few times and they've been very helpful. I didn't really know what my budget was but it definitely is more than I would have liked a few weeks ago lol (1500). I dont think I want to spend more than $4000 and that includes pedals, shoes, helmet, lights, tubes, cylinders, nozzle, water bottle cage, bike fit. The works.
I think I've narrowed it down to two bikes, of which are both really good deals as far as I can tell, but then again I'm still new so I'd appreciate any advice, input, thoughts etc.
Cervelo R3 Ultegra 2016 - $3600 (from 4800 - I feel I could get it down to 3.2k as I have seen online other bike shops selling for 3-3.2k)
Focus Cayo Di2 Ultregra 2017 - $3750 (from 4500)
I've test ridden both and enjoy both. I like the look of the Cayo but I LOVE the look of the R3. I felt the R3 was a bit more responsive but idk. I think I really have my heart set on Di2, but I really have my heart set on the paint job of the cervelo haha. I am really torn between the two bikes.
The LBS has said they can work out a good price with all the other gear so with either choice I wouldnt be going over budget much (4k for r3). The cervelo is significantly cheaper but I might always regret not having got di2?
Are these good deals? Could or should I ask for cheaper? Anything else to look out for?
Will both bikes, if looked after, hold their value?
Should I see if they'll put the di2 on the cervelo (lol might get laughed out of the store)
They said both bikes should handle 28 tyres. Should I see if theyll put them on for free? I read it might be more comfortable and a negligible difference to speed as im not racing (except for against myself).
4k is a lot of money, I can afford it but I'm a little bit of a stinge. but I am excited about it. I just hate when people say "4 grand thats !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! dumb my bike cost me 1 grand!! whats your bike do???"
Anyway thanks in advance!!
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby ValleyForge » Tue May 29, 2018 9:06 am
Keeping it short:
Essentially no bike will keep its value. Buy the best frame & forks you can afford, as groupsets & wheels are easier to upgrade than visa-versa.
I'd leave the tyres as they are and reconsider when they have worn out.
I have been really impressed with Focus as a brand FWIW. Both my kids have Focus MTBs and the finish/value/package is exceptional.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Derny Driver » Tue May 29, 2018 9:18 am
Put simply, they break.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Duck! » Tue May 29, 2018 11:25 am
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby P!N20 » Tue May 29, 2018 11:46 am
Get the Focus.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby CKinnard » Tue May 29, 2018 12:05 pm
And if you are going to consider a wider tire, >=32mm, then that will be a consideration on the frame, forks, and brakes you get.
If you want to do a lot of long distance or back road riding, wider tires at lower psi are one of the best things you can do to stay more comfortable = more shock absorption by the tires.
Wider tires are heavier but they are generally much more puncture resistant, which is a very big bonus when commuting.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby cjrich » Tue May 29, 2018 3:22 pm
BTW, I believe Focus owns Cervelo, or did when I got mine.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Thoglette » Tue May 29, 2018 4:05 pm
For what you're describing 28mm is a good start. But 32mm is even better. If you are commuting in all weathers, then the ability to fit mudguards (and a rack) should also be on your shopping list.mitteh wrote:Something that can tackle hills, and something that I can explore cycling a bit more - I already plan to ride to Palm Beach once I get my riding fitness back up a bit. Now I know some people say I should get a road bike for commuting but I'll be doing a lot of riding, hills and through all my research and shopping around, I am getting very excited about cycling and getting into it a bit more.
There's been a few threads on this sort of thing (e.g. General mid-distance bike) recently.
There's more out there than was the case a few years back, when you could either buy a skinny-tyred-road-bike or a touring-truck or, maybe, a CX bike. But nothing in between. These days there's a whole pile of stuff blurring the lines: "all road", "gravel grinder", "adventure", "randonneur" or "comfort performance" with both modern (Specialised Roubaix or Scott Addict) and traditional looks (e.g. Malvern Star Oppy S3 or Soma Pescadero or Masi Speciale Randonneur). And that's just a start.
Given your middle-of-the-road budget and hilly ride I'll be interested to see what you can find.
As sub $2500 there is not a whole lot under 10kg, which is insane in this day and age.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Thoglette » Tue May 29, 2018 4:38 pm
"People are worthy of respect, ideas are not." Peter Ellerton, UQ
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Tue May 29, 2018 5:22 pm
A Giant TCR Advanced Pro 1 might be perfect :
Has Ultegra 11sp mechanical, 11-30t cassette, 52/36 mid compact and 25mm tyres.
Falls within budget, and with a bit of shopping around should be able to beat list price.
Just an example.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby eeksll » Tue May 29, 2018 9:47 pm
do you have good secure place to lock it up ?
personal pov that is alot of cash for a commute bike (but then again I don't own a bike that cost that much)
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby CKinnard » Tue May 29, 2018 11:10 pm
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Howzat » Wed May 30, 2018 12:21 am
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Duck! » Wed May 30, 2018 10:03 am
The difference is a matter of millimetres; the effect on your line of sight and visibility to others is virtually non-existent.CKinnard wrote:another consideration..... a dedicated road bike has a shorter head tube, and lower bars, which is not ideal for commuting in heavier traffic (when it is advantageous to sit up higher and see further down the road).
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby CKinnard » Wed May 30, 2018 2:28 pm
'a matter of millimetres' diff? really?!Duck! wrote:The difference is a matter of millimetres; the effect on your line of sight and visibility to others is virtually non-existent.CKinnard wrote:another consideration..... a dedicated road bike has a shorter head tube, and lower bars, which is not ideal for commuting in heavier traffic (when it is advantageous to sit up higher and see further down the road).
Head Tube lengths:
Giant AnyRoad medium frame - 185mm
Giant Defy Advanced Pro medium frame - 165mm
Giant TCR SL medium frame - 148mm
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby bychosis » Wed May 30, 2018 2:41 pm
Edit: Pick your favourite colour!
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Duck! » Wed May 30, 2018 3:07 pm
Precisely my point.bychosis wrote:Yup, that's millimetres.... 37 of them, which isn't that much in the overall height of the rider. Maybe 2%?
My commuter is a roadie. There is no appreciable difference in my ability to see or be seen between riding in the drops or on the tops, and that's considerably more than 37mm difference.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby number21 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:54 pm
Focus/Cervelo. Far as I know they're both from the same company as cjrich mentioned. Have come across many satisfied owners on each brand and the only common complaint is that of the cervelo BB and aero seatpost. Both can be managed so just make sure your LBS is across them so they should be able to sort them before any issues occur.
My theory is that no one brand is perfect if you look hard enough. Didn't Izalcos come out with forks that had the potential to spontaneously snap a few years ago?
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby nickobec » Wed May 30, 2018 5:10 pm
There are a lot of valid opinions from other members about what works for them, but what will work for you?
Couple of thoughts
3km climb at 5%, assume that means 3km descent at 5% on the way home, good argument as any for disk brakes, once you throw in rain and traffic.
Mudguards, I have them on the bike I ride in street clothes to the train, but if I commute to work and that can be anywhere between 40 and 120km with one or two bunch rides thrown in, it is on a race orientated bike and if it is going to rain I dress appropriately shoes covers, wet weather bibs and jersey/jacket which you would need even with guards and throw on an ass saver.
Just pick the bike the brings the biggest smile to your face.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Wed May 30, 2018 5:44 pm
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby CKinnard » Wed May 30, 2018 10:23 pm
How tall are you Duck?Duck! wrote:Precisely my point.bychosis wrote:Yup, that's millimetres.... 37 of them, which isn't that much in the overall height of the rider. Maybe 2%?
My commuter is a roadie. There is no appreciable difference in my ability to see or be seen between riding in the drops or on the tops, and that's considerably more than 37mm difference.
37mm is a big diff for a lot of people - shorter people who need all the height gain they can muster to see several cars ahead, many who cannot stay in the drops for more than 5 minutes due to neck, back, and shoulder issues.
As usual, personal anecdote is rarely a legitimate basis for generalizing.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby Duck! » Wed May 30, 2018 10:52 pm
Go and stand on something 37mm thick and see if you can see any better from it. I highly doubt you'll notice any difference.
The differences in geometry have much more effect on the postural comfort of the rider than their ability to see and be seen.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby mitteh » Thu May 31, 2018 9:39 am
Howzat wrote:Note the Focus Cayo from 2018 is called the "Izalco Race". So stores will be motivated to clear the model with the old label. It's the exact same bike, so there may be a bargain to be had. I have one, great bike, it gets you down lower than "endurance" bikes as the head tube is shorter.
Yeah well they have it listed for 4599 marked down to 3800 and can do 3750. 4150 for the bike, helmet, lights, shoes, cleets, pedals, cage, tubes, cylinders + nozzle, and a bike fit.
I feel like im getting a good deal I just cant help but get over the fact that I could get a similarly specced bike 2nd hand and save 1500$.
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Re: Help deciding between 2 road bikes
Postby mitteh » Thu May 31, 2018 9:39 am
lol if I win the lotto tonight !!P!N20 wrote:
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