Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
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Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby zebee » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:59 am
separated path pretty well all the way from Hawthorn Pde to Victoria Road. With priority at intersections unlike Carrington St.
I don't use that road, so no idea if it's a good idea or not. There's a fair hill there isn't there? I see speed differential on the path was raised as a problem, but I don't think it was properly addressed.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby tubby74 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:41 pm
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby find_bruce » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:10 pm
- A separated path from the bay run & Hawthorn Canal through to Anzac Bridge will significantly increase the number of cyclists from the area
- There are plenty of easy ways to get to Lilyfield Road
- The one way sections will reduce some of the problem traffic, mainly in the afternoon
- A separated path up the hill won't make the hill any easier, but it will reduce the concern inexperienced riders have when riding slowly
- The stretch of path on the south side eliminates most of the left hooks eastbound, ie Grove St through to Gordon St
Separated paths are great when they are separated, not so good when they are regularly interrupted by driveways as every driveway becomes an uncontrolled intersection - this is particularly the stretch between Rayner St, Balmain Road & Edward St- the path is designed for cars to give way, but experience of Bourke St is that they rarely even slow down before crossing the paths.
It seems unduly optimistic to suggest cyclists will have priority at intersections with traffic lights - ie Mary St & Balmain Rd - the experience at Union St & elsewhere suggests that cyclists will get a green for 6 seconds every 2 minutes, will sporadically detect bicycles & the timings will ensure that most cyclists get a red wave. Because you know cars getting to we$tconne$$ are far more important
I am dubious about the U bends at intersections, eg Maliyawul (bottom of hill), Rayner St Catherine St. Also it is not clear what they are proposing for the intersection with Gordon St.
Call me cynical, but given the poor implementation of the bike path at the Bay Run by the former Leichardt clowncil, none of which seems to have been improved since the merger, we can look forward to a radar based sign & an advisory speed of 10 km/h - yep thats what these idiots think is the maximum appropriate speed for a bike.
Be interested to hear what Bob Moore's thoughts are.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:45 pm
Agree about the best option being through the Railyard, from Justin St, which is being proposed by Westconnex in its Active Transport Strategy. Might take some years though, Council reckons 10. But the route is cleared now, could just whack something in now almost. The full CityWestCycle Link chiselled out on one side of the cutting under Balmain Rd and Norton St would be even better, which Westconnex gives a mention too, and Innerwest Council supports in principle. Westconnex will have plenty of heavy machinery nearby soon, assuming it gets the go ahead. Lilyfield Rd cycleway would be completely unnecessary in that case.
Because they are making sections of LF Rd one way and taking out parking on one side in others (check the plan on Yoursay Innerwest) there is actually room for good bike lanes along most of the road, and some finangling could get the rest too, which would suit fast commuters and "new" or the unsure cyclists better IMO. The only section where this might be inadvisable is the steep hill to the canal, where the present set up with an uphill wide bike lane and a share the lane downhill appears to be working well. It is just stubbornness to keep saying we must have separated paths everywhere,, surely safety and convenience also must be factored in. Anyone know of a bi-Di on a 10% gradient hill?
There is a drop in session at Orange Grove Public School on 12 December, 6 pm to 9pm, where you can see the plan and make comments via sticky notes on a giant aerial photo map. Not sure what they do with the notes, an assistant just peeled them off at the end of today's session, no system. Better to use the Yoursay web site to make comments or maybe email Innerwest councillors alerting them to your concerns.
If you think they should put up a "bike lane on both sides option" too, please say so loud and clear. By choosing only to do a bidirectional cycleway design they have tried to lock us in to the concept, but they have had to give up parking and make it one way in parts so now there is space for conventional bike lanes, which could have protective buffers as well.
Thanks if you get this far, a bit long. There is more on Sydney Cyclist, where I put up some cross sections.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:36 pm
It's an expensive project with about $4.5 m allocated so far, so important to get it right. Narrow 2.4 m bidirectional cycleways just shouldn't cut it these days, and there is room for a wider path since they are removing parking in the middle section, and making it one way for cars in other sections, freeing up an entire lane, though the latest plan has half of that used up by green "Swales", and tree planting, to try to appease the locals.
More discussion on Sydneycyclist if you want to read further on what is proposed.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby goneriding » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:01 pm
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby Strawburger » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:26 pm
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:32 pm
First plan attracted major resident opposition on loss of car parking, so after a long delay of a year they have come back with the revised scheme. The residents keep their parking, at the expense of making sections one way, which residents still don't like.
Parking is removed on the south side from one section in the new plan, Justin St to Gordon St, but not from Balmain Rd to Justin St. They say parking is needed for light rail patrons, but Council has always said parking should be only for kiss and ride and disabled, which is already provided at Catherine St.
They will have to relocate the kerb anyway between Balmain Rd to Justin St, so it is going to be a very expensive car park. If parking was banned, easy and cheaper to get a good 3 m bike path.
Hope a few more people might get on to the yousayinnerwest site and push this a bit. Some interesting comments up now, worth a peruse. Quite a few opposing the "crossover" point at Edwards St, saying why not have the crossover at Balmain Rd where most cyclists have to stop for the lights anyway. They could install advance storage boxes to facilitate right turns onto the cycleway.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:22 pm
The residents seem to have scuppered the project, after an overwhelming majority of comments on the second version of the cycleway were negative. The main objections were to the proposal to make Lilyfield Rd one way east in two sections. This saved resident parking spots and allowed space for a cycleway but residents didn't want to lose the convenience of the left turn off Victoria Rd. Many cyclists also didn't like various aspects of the cycleway.
So Inner West Council decided in March to "not proceed to detailed design" for the cycleway. Instead they are going to get the consultant to have another go at coming up with something workable. The Mayor is saying he will call a public meeting, but this is likely to just be an anti cyclist rally. Better to sit down with cycling groups and see if there are alternatives, including other routes, and what bits of the rejected concept can be salvaged, like removing the parking (largely for boats and trailers) between Balmain Rd and Gordon St. We are proposing an alternative route via Canal Rd, Francis St and Allen St, (then on to Moore St and Catherine St) which has an easy gradient more suitable for many of the new cyclists they say they are trying to attract to commuting. Allen St has a high priority in the Bike Plan and would have been done soon anyway. It also gets cyclists closer to shops and cafes etc in Norton St, and the secondary college, so is IMHO quite a good alternative. Not as direct or quick as Lilyfield Rd but faster or stronger or less risk averse cyclists, whatever you want to call them, can still use LF Rd.
Any support for this welcome, email the Mayor (Lab) at Darcy.byrne@innerwest.nsw.gov.au, and greens at rochelle.porteus@ditto
Cc info@bikeleichhardt.org
Also come to the meeting when it is announced.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby grimbo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:36 pm
Getting some good cycling infra on those roads would be great, especially if it includes some decent crossings of Norton st and Foster/Darley. My kids used to cycle to school along Allen St, and the Norton/Darley st crossings and Allen St itself are full of busy impatient traffic.roberto73 wrote:Update:
The residents seem to have scuppered the project, after an overwhelming majority of comments on the second version of the cycleway were negative. The main objections were to the proposal to make Lilyfield Rd one way east in two sections. This saved resident parking spots and allowed space for a cycleway but residents didn't want to lose the convenience of the left turn off Victoria Rd. Many cyclists also didn't like various aspects of the cycleway.
So Inner West Council decided in March to "not proceed to detailed design" for the cycleway. Instead they are going to get the consultant to have another go at coming up with something workable. The Mayor is saying he will call a public meeting, but this is likely to just be an anti cyclist rally. Better to sit down with cycling groups and see if there are alternatives, including other routes, and what bits of the rejected concept can be salvaged, like removing the parking (largely for boats and trailers) between Balmain Rd and Gordon St. We are proposing an alternative route via Canal Rd, Francis St and Allen St, (then on to Moore St and Catherine St) which has an easy gradient more suitable for many of the new cyclists they say they are trying to attract to commuting. Allen St has a high priority in the Bike Plan and would have been done soon anyway. It also gets cyclists closer to shops and cafes etc in Norton St, and the secondary college, so is IMHO quite a good alternative. Not as direct or quick as Lilyfield Rd but faster or stronger or less risk averse cyclists, whatever you want to call them, can still use LF Rd.
Any support for this welcome, email the Mayor (Lab) at Darcy.byrne@innerwest.nsw.gov.au, and greens at rochelle.porteus@ditto
Cc info@bikeleichhardt.org
Also come to the meeting when it is announced.
But it would be a pretty big diversion for commuters who connect with the bay run, and I would guess it would not see much usage by that traffic, except maybe the very timid.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:02 pm
Existing commuters or newer converts who can cope with the steep uphill from the Bay Run can continue to use Lilyfield Rd, and we are still after some improvements to Lilyfield Rd. The "timid" or less fit, older, younger, cargo bikes etc can use the alternatives suggested. They are longer but if you want a better gradient that's what happens. Could also go up via Leichhardt Aquatic Centre (aka the pool) and Mary St, Church St, but can be congested around the pool car park.
TfNSW and Council are saying about the proposed cycleway they want to get more people commuting, but this is more likely if there is an easier way up Lilyfield ridge. Maybe a big signboard at foot of Lilyfield Rd pointing out options?
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby find_bruce » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:17 pm
Yes I know I'm talking to the converted
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:33 pm
That would be reneging on their earlier commitment. I reckon the council could come up with some inexpensive improvements themselves, along the lines we have suggested. No need for expensive consultants. But the Council is in a mess since the amalgamation, their IT is stuffed, staff are leaving, integrated plans havnt been done, Westconnex has sucked the energy of planners, etc etc, but that was just one staffers big moan to us the other day.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby Lilyresi » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:55 pm
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:10 pm
Big news is that the Mayor, Darcy Byrnes, has referred the Lilyfield Rd Cycleway project to the council’s independent Ombudsman and the audit committee for investigation. He is claiming the administrator who was in charge before the council amalgamation wasn’t keeping a close eye on the project and there is nothing to see for $500K spent on the consultant. See Innerwest Courier on Nov 7, or Mayors Facebook page.
Council staff were just finalising a brief for a new tender for the project. Don’t know if that will go ahead now.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:26 pm
Well, Council has actually backed the City West Cycle Link concept (citywestcyclelink.org.au)for such a path next to the rail line. They are seeking talks with Transport for NSW and others to discuss this. They even hinted they might consider a direct tunnel under Lilyfield, instead of the half tunnel chewed out of the side of the railway cutting that the CWCL proposes. This would have the benefit of not having to close the railway at any time, and not affect the station at Leichhardt North etc. Some examples of bicycle tunnels around the world, but often in conjunction with a road tunnel or an old railway tunnel.find_bruce wrote:All of which reinforces why they should have put a path alongside the light rail - no gradient or intersections to contend with.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:43 am
One, a report on the history of the shelved report, item 4, and two, item 11, a motion to allow parking of motor vehicles only along the railway side, to get rid of the boats and trailers using the section between Denison St and just short of Catherine St. If passed this would preclude use of the kerb lane width to find space for a wide path or bike lanes.
https://innerwest.infocouncil.biz/Open/ ... AT_WEB.htm
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:27 am
The ban on trailers and trucks imposed last December is working, mostly. Today there were only two trailers, including a dragon boat trailer. Very few cars either between Denison St and Justin St. If car parking was also banned on the railyard side a 3m Cycleway could be built from Gordon St Catherine St, or bike lanes put in on both sides.
Ifyou are a regular commuter along there and like the idea let Council know at council@innerwest.nsw.gov.au, cc info@bikeleichhardt.org
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:39 am
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby Strawburger » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:48 pm
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby Strawburger » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:50 pm
I wondered what happened to the projectroberto73 wrote:IW Council has appointed another consultant to have another go at designing a Cycleway on Lilyfield Rd. IW Bicycle Coalition will be meeting the consultant next week.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:19 pm
In related news, John Holland Joint Venture are in charge of the Rozelle Interchange Project (the tunnels under Lilyfield and Rozelle for Westconnex stage3), which also includes the railyard Park and bike connections to Anzac Bridge and Glebe. The footbridge over Victoria Rd at Lilyfield Rd will be demolished in early 2020, to replace and widen the road bridge, and the Beattie Bush bridge nearby over the City West Link will also be demolished later in 2020 to fit in another traffic lane onto Anzac Bridge. JH say bike routes will be maintained, and a temporary bridge may be used. I can’t figure out how they are going to do this, but will have to wait until JH release their plans in August.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby find_bruce » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:27 am
I am in a similar state of confusion about what is happening with the connection between the bay run & Victoria Road - is that John Holland as well ? Last I had seen was taking your chances through steep & narrow back streets between the work zone & the construction car park. None of it looked appealing to me. I had been tossing up between going through Callan Park & back to Victoria Rd or braving Lilifield Rd, but if they are going to make a mess of the footbridge, that doesn't sound so flash either.
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Re: Lilyfield Rd proposed separated route
Postby roberto73 » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:56 am
The shared path on the old bridge and up to Darling St on north side of Vic Rd will remain open, so I imagine most cyclists from Drummoyne to the City would use that side, despite the crowded bus stops at Terry St etc, rather than detour down Byrne St.
There may be a meeting next week to discuss this with John Holland.
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