PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
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PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Baalzamon » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:30 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Scott_C » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:01 pm
https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFi ... ramMap.pdf
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby cavebear2 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:59 am
I've looked at the MRD website regarding the pending closure of the PSP/ proposed detour details and can find nothing. An aquaintance says that a detour will be in place as of 19/9/18. Anyone got any more specific information?Baalzamon wrote:Roadworks are a foot. Roe Hwy will be extended to Murdoch Drv so you guessed it. Realignment for the bike path and most like a diversion again in the coming months. Clued into it today when I noticed the works they were doing were elevating and was flat so checked mainroads.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Baalzamon » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:06 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Scott_C » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:25 pm
The Kwinana Freeway Widening Works page has been updated with the detour details (.doc). As expected for MainRoads, the detour doesn't meet MainRoads' own guidelines for path users at roadworks (which requires that a detour "adequately replicates the existing path") and have a minimum width of 2m for bi-directional travel. Whereas this path requires on-road travel (including for disabled pedestrians, ~200m of the detour has no path at all) and, where footpaths are provided they either are curbside and get covered in rubbish bins that never get taken back in or are only 1.8m wide. There is one road crossing at traffic lights which, of course, don't have cycling lanterns and legally requires a dismount.cavebear2 wrote:I've looked at the MRD website regarding the pending closure of the PSP/ proposed detour details and can find nothing. An aquaintance says that a detour will be in place as of 19/9/18. Anyone got any more specific information?Baalzamon wrote:Roadworks are a foot. Roe Hwy will be extended to Murdoch Drv so you guessed it. Realignment for the bike path and most like a diversion again in the coming months. Clued into it today when I noticed the works they were doing were elevating and was flat so checked mainroads.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Gunnadothat » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:51 pm
The first versions of the plan had a bridge over the freeway to connect the Roe Highway PSP to the Freeway PSP instead of doing the loop-de-loop at Farrington Road.
I can't see it now.
Does anyone know if its still there, or has it been conveniently pushed aside due to "funding constraints" ?
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby scirocco » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:01 am
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Scott_C » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:40 am
The removal of the footbridge from the project was noted in the January 2018 Construction Reference Group minutes, the reason given for the removal in the April Minutes is "It was simply cost driven" , "with various items removed to remain within available budget with other routes available albeit longer."Gunnadothat wrote:Is there something I've missed on the current version of the project plan for the Murdoch Drive Connection?
The first versions of the plan had a bridge over the freeway to connect the Roe Highway PSP to the Freeway PSP instead of doing the loop-de-loop at Farrington Road.
I can't see it now.
Does anyone know if its still there, or has it been conveniently pushed aside due to "funding constraints" ?
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With the footbridge and Murdoch Drive PSP deleted from the project the project is now purely negative for cyclists, due to a permanent lengthening of the PSP an on-road cycling ban on Murdoch Drive and all the stuffing around with below standard construction detours.
Apparently WestCycle is being consulted on these projects and is apparently giving the OK to stuff things up and provide detours that don't meet Australian Standards.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Gunnadothat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:28 pm
As for Westcycle. pffft... sounds like they give it lip service. Obviously too far out of town for them to be bothered???
From the May meeting minutes:
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Are PSP users aware of the longer route that will be established as a result of this project?
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We have worked with WestCycle and we continue to keep them up to date as a key cycling stakeholder. They also have their own cycling network communications mechanisms.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Scott_C » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:17 pm
https://project.mainroads.wa.gov.au/hom ... 0Sheet.pdf
The proposed detour shows an illegal right hand turn from Prout Way into Bibra Drive for Northbound cyclists but I suggest that Fantail Drive should be used rather than Prout Way as it is shorter and has a legal right hand turn at a roundabout (either that or use the footpath on Prout Way).
Pretty much all the footpaths in the residential areas are adjacent to the curb so they will get covered in rubbish bins every week.
The section through the kiddie park between Mason Ct and Little Rush Close uses a 1.2m wide concrete path (absolute minimum width in Main Roads standards for a bi-directional path is 2m) with limestone block walls to the edges of the path at one end (watch your pedals) and a u-rail maze at the other end. Neither the path or the adjacent level crossing appear to have any lighting.
Now it is possible that Main Roads have looked at these substandard sections of path and upgraded them to meet the minimum standards but previous experience says that is not likely to be the case.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby nickobec » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:35 am
Thanks for that, looks like a bunch of no fun on the commute for a few more months.Scott_C wrote:The current sub-standard detour is scheduled to get even worse on the 12th of November with the Southern end of the detour being pushed a further 1.5km South and the transverse offset (the distance away from the desired line of travel) increasing by 1km (the detour now goes 2.2km to the West of the freeway before coming back to it).....
Wondering if somebody with local knowledge, knows if the rail crossing here https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/32 ... 15.8408045 is passable? it would knock a kilometre or two off the offical detour
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Gunnadothat » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 am
https://earth.google.com/web/(AT)-32.09955 ... 782295t,0r
You may need to move it around a little bit in GE, but it does look promising.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Scott_C » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:58 pm
Looking at Nearmap it looks like it would be passable with the following notes:nickobec wrote: Wondering if somebody with local knowledge, knows if the rail crossing here is passable? it would knock a kilometre or two off the offical detour
* It is completely unlit between the road entries- the crossing itself is 150m+ from the nearest streetlight and seems to have no passive surveillance from any adjacent road or property.
* The rail crossing is a 'maze' type crossing with no warning lights or bells. Both sides of the maze have 180degree mazes that are ~1.2m wide, depending upon the size of your bike and your bike handling skills you might need to dismount to make it safely through the maze and if there is an oncoming bike or ped you will need to wait for them to completely clear the maze before entering.
* The amount of figure 8 tyre tracks in the surrounding sand indicates that the area is frequently used by 4wd and trail-bike hoons.
* Coupled with the point above there is a lot of sand contamination on the path but I can't tell from the photos whether it is a relatively safe 1mm thick layer or an unsafe 20mm.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby HappyHumber » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:23 pm
I have traversed it a few times in the last 6 months, in negotiating different approaches through South Lake to Yangebup & Beeliar from the Roe PSP.nickobec wrote:Wondering if somebody with local knowledge, knows if the rail crossing here is passable? it would knock a kilometre or two off the offical detour
Per Scott_C's nice little point summary It is a crab of a crossing. Dumped junk, the odd sign of mispent youth and overgrown shrubs enroaching on the path on the north approach to it. I find it easiest to unclip/unmount to get through the tight maze. Mind you, this might be just my aging legs on a too tall a fixed ratio.
I'd say give it a go and see what you reckon - but be prepared.
This crossing (much closer to North Lake Rd) suits me these days - but much further again out of the way of anyone merely wanting to parallel the Fwy.
Hit me up via the BNA dm; I'll get an alert. If y'know, you know.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby nickobec » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:08 pm
The path is in ok condition, only small amount of sand in one spot. Can post a video later if people want.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Dodgy-Knee » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:01 pm
Thanks very much for this Nicobec ... that 'official' detour was a joke.nickobec wrote:OK rode the short unofficial detour today, added 200 metres and about a minute to my commute. I did dismount at the maze, good opportunity to check my mud map.
The path is in ok condition, only small amount of sand in one spot. Can post a video later if people want.
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Postby nickobec » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:30 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby scirocco » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:10 pm
Curious to know, where does this Hope Rd underpass go to and from?
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Baalzamon » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:31 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Scott_C » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:07 pm
The Hope Road underpass is due to open on December 10th. At the same time there will be an additional detour added just North of Aubin Grove Station for 1.5km.nickobec wrote:Hopefully the Hope Road underpass will be in action soon. So we can avoid Farrington Road and Bibra Drive
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby scirocco » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:20 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby nickobec » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:16 pm
Will post the new map early next week (and also email it to Main Roads) follow the map to cross the railwayline, go down Annois Road, instead of turning right at Parkway Rd, go straight, at the T go straight ahead on the bike path through Duffield Reserve, onto Mallard Road, left at Parkway Rd, quick right onto Homestead, at the T turn right onto Hope Road and head to the new underpass. Completely avoiding Bibra Drive and almost all traffic.scirocco wrote:That underpass will be a big improvement. Combined with nickobec's alternative railway crossing from Nettle Way to Annois Rd it will at least be safe even if still not exactly ideal.
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby Baalzamon » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:51 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby scirocco » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:58 pm
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Re: PSP Kwinana Fwy Roe Hwy Interchange
Postby scirocco » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:36 pm
Had a look at the southern end this morning (Hope Rd / Gilchrist Rd). Not a snowflake's chance of it opening tomorrow. The tunnel is in place but the roadbase is barely formed let alone being paved or marked. Couldn't see the northern side.Scott_C wrote:The Hope Road underpass is due to open on December 10th.
At usual WA construction speeds it will be February before it gets anywhere near opening I would suspect.
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