The only (UCI) rule concerning the relationship between heights of bars and saddle is that no part of the bars and/or extensions may be higher than the saddle.Richard.L wrote:Ant's seat seem to be 5cm higher than his bars. Does this matter in TT's? or is that only a road race rule?
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Re: TT position
Postby Ant. » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:53 pm
(nothing against you JV911. Always worth finding things like this, pity this one is a bit short sighted)
Is every post I read purposely poking me in the eye??! I better stay off the internet for a while, all these experts are getting to me
Way to plug yourself guys... except the only way to do that is to do maximal testing over a sustained'ish duration.Wind tunnel 2008. Surely trying to find best combo of power output and low drag. This would be a great app for the TTFitBike - his position could be changed via remote control and drag and power output monitored continuously.
What about all the other positions in the 2008 wind tunnel? Not showing them are we, because it doesn't back up your article?
His 04 TdF position doesn't look that dissimilar from his current position.
As far as I'm aware, he's never ridden in that "wind tunnel" position so that half of the video is flawed. And they got a photo of him at ToC when he's looking up the road and sitting up. Convenient. That half of that video wouldn't be anywhere near as "convincing" if they used a shot like this:
Page 1 and 2 of google image search. He purposefully looked passed these to try prove his point.
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Re: TT position
Postby MiG » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:19 pm
Isn't their point that he's sitting way forward to get a steeper effective angle? Looks like there's heaps saddle sticking out behind him in those shots.Ant. wrote:Page 1 and 2 of google image search. He purposefully looked passed these to try prove his point.
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Re: TT position
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:14 pm
Looks like a water bladdertoolonglegs wrote:Was he genetically modified to have an aero hump back?.
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Re: TT position
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:25 pm
mikesbytes wrote:Looks like a water bladdertoolonglegs wrote:Was he genetically modified to have an aero hump back?.
He wishes it was a water bladder...
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Re: TT position
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Re: TT position
Postby Ant. » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:54 am
He is (now) sitting way forward and getting a steeper angleMiG wrote:Isn't their point that he's sitting way forward to get a steeper effective angle? Looks like there's heaps saddle sticking out behind him in those shots.Ant. wrote:Page 1 and 2 of google image search. He purposefully looked passed these to try prove his point.
But their point is a forwards+up saddle allows you to get low at the front, then used shots of him sitting upright to demonstrate that. But really he couldn't go any lower at the front if he wanted too.
And they think rotating around the bottom bracket like that makes you faster, maybe, maybe not. Can't judge that from a picture, and everyone's different.
I don't think there's heaps of saddle sticking out behind him in those shots?
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Re: TT position
Postby MiG » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:58 pm
Now I see that in the two Adamo shots he's having a brief look down (I assume he doesn't have Jedi navigation skills so it must be a brief look) which makes him look better than in the other photos.
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Re: TT position
Postby Parrott » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:31 pm
MiG wrote: Isn't their point that he's sitting way forward to get a steeper effective angle? Looks like there's heaps saddle sticking out behind him in those shots.
I tend to agree with you, there is a fair bit of saddle sticking out behind his butt. However here is one with more saddle sticking out
If you do this search you will see plenty of the best riders in the world sitting forward on their perineum. The conclusion I draw from that is if the seat was allowed to be further forward it would be and forward is faster more often than not.
Bit of a rant about the 5cm rule again sorry, can't seem to help it
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Re: TT position
Postby philip » Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:38 pm
Still not as low as I would like but it'll do. Problem is my arms are pretty long (found that out when I had to buy a suit recently). The other problem is that my jersey bunches up a lot. Ah well.. it's just for fun
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Re: TT position
Postby Trackfix » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:22 pm
Note as you lower your back angle from standard 45deg to TT (AT) 20 deg your leg length will increase you will have to drop your saddle height by 5-6mm or 2 deg to compensate.
PS Cadel has a long upper arm (Humorous) combined with long torso short legs for overall height this adds to his aggressive ITT position
Note both Fabian and Cadel use the same length effective top tube 54cm
Hope this helps for future outing on your trusty bicycle
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Re: TT position
Postby twizzle » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:56 pm
Strange - I've always found that because the pelvis is rotated forwards, the effective distance between hip joint and pedals is reduced and you have to RAISE the saddle. Unless you are one of those cyclists who bends at the lower back due to inflexibility, that is...Trackfix wrote:Note as you lower your back angle from standard 45deg to TT (AT) 20 deg your leg length will increase you will have to drop your saddle height by 5-6mm or 2 deg to compensate.
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Re: TT position
Postby toolonglegs » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:16 am
I know my saddle height for road bike is 826mm (bb to top of saddle / 180mm crank) so I am thinking of setting my TT saddle nose at the same height, which would mean raising the saddle a bit. I do feel a bit cramped.
Yes I know I can just try it out... but I have delicate tendons in my heal and while I do feel comfy with my saddle a cm or two higher on my road bike, when I do get in wrong tendonitis sets in quickly!... rather avoid that!.
Edit:- just measured roughly... There is close to 3cm difference from nose area of saddle to normal measuring point in line with seat tube!... Will raise it two cm and try it there. Lucky I have a long time to get this right!
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Re: TT position
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:26 pm
Saddle is 7cm behind BB, thats as close as I can get it with a setback post turned around, but if it was a standard saddle it would be 3 or 4 cm behind the bb.
Running the same bb to saddle nose height (1006mm) as I run bb to saddle middle on my road bike.
Things of note : my right shoulder sits a lot lower than my left (looks smaller too). Even though everything is set equally my left leg gets closer to my elbow than my left.
But anyway any tips would be good.
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Re: TT position
Postby Parrott » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:41 pm
Maybe an adjustable stem or maybe not with ? back problems you had.
Get an aero helmet also and try it again with that on, aero helmet gives cheap time gains.
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Postby twizzle » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:52 pm
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Re: TT position
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:17 pm
Twiz, yeah I noticed the rocking when watching it as well... but I think that is partly down to the tyre slipping on the drum till it gets up to speed.Out on the road I don't rock much at all. But even though I like pushing a big gear...I think I push on average one gear higher than I should.
Aero helmet will be here soon... well when I go and buy it, hopefully will get the 82mm front on soon as well.
All I need is a frame and disc rear now.
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Re: TT position
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:56 pm
What's your hamstring flexibility like?
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Re: TT position
Postby Parrott » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:52 pm
Prob good to leave it there then and work on flexibility and core strength. Looks like about all you can do is a longer adjustable stem and bring the extensions back a bit if you run into problems with that rule.toolonglegs wrote:Been working on it mate but I certainly feel this position in the hammies...originally I had he saddle at the same height as the road bike, but that was 2-3 cms lower than it is here... Measuring to the nose now.
This one is a good stretch, only push the crossed (her right) knee away. Should feel it in your glute on the right in that pic.
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:58 pm
I think it will just take a while for muscles to get used to the hew position.
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