Bicycling Mag article: Can Campagnolo Survive?
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Bicycling Mag article: Can Campagnolo Survive?
Postby familyguy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:54 am
Nicked from FOA, relinked for BNA peeps. An interesting read.
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Re: Bicycling Mag article: Can Campagnolo Survive?
Postby CommuRider » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:40 pm
It's a family business - all the ills and goods that come with all that baggage. Good article to read up on their position. Evokes something like the grass is always greener on the other side.
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:03 pm
Good thing it's competitors don't even come close IMO
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Postby master6 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:24 pm
How much slower would you be on another brand Womble?The 2nd Womble wrote:i can't bear the thought of a world without Campagnolo. I'd top myself.
Good thing it's competitors don't even come close IMO
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:42 pm
A Colnago without Campy is just another bike
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Postby Daccordi Rider » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:49 pm
Spot on Womble. Beautifully engineered equipment. Take the ergo levers for example, beautiful to look at and use compared to Shimano's ugly hulking hoods. The feeling of a company that respects the work and tradition, not just pumping out mass gear means something, and it is no dearer to buy so why not?The 2nd Womble wrote:It's not the speed. It's the history, beauty, the emotion, pride, the engineering, and as said, Campy has soul. The others are just collections of stuff. Who has influenced what we all ride today more than these guys?
A Colnago without Campy is just another bike
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Postby drubie » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:34 pm
Campagnolo - anyone who has held even the worst ergo shifter in Campagnolos range vs. the best Shimano one knows why Campagnolo will survive. It has nothing to do with price. I'll always pay a premium for Campagnolo parts and I might occasionally whinge about it, I always forget about 20 seconds after I receive those beautiful black boxes.
It's elegant, beautifully engineered stuff and as long as they never hang any Italian electricals off it (sorry, former Alfa Romeo nut speaking) it'll work forever. There worst days (i.e. the 1970s when the engineering sucked) are long behind them - the modern ergo (yes, even the crappy "escape" shifters) are so lovely to hold, to fit and to use it makes the Shimano equivalent look like a lump on your handlebars.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Postby ldrcycles » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:37 pm
Daccordi Rider wrote: it is no dearer to buy so why not?
HUH!?
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Postby Nobody » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:42 pm
I have the view that all bikes are just a collection of parts. That is why my bikes don't look pretty, but fit and work well IMO for the modest price.The 2nd Womble wrote:It's not the speed. It's the history, beauty, the emotion, pride, the engineering, and as said, Campy has soul. The others are just collections of stuff. Who has influenced what we all ride today more than these guys?
A Colnago without Campy is just another bike
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Re: Bicycling Mag article: Can Campagnolo Survive?
Postby rkelsen » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:00 pm
Campagnolo is much dearer if you buy it in an Australian LBS.ldrcycles wrote:HUH!?Daccordi Rider wrote: it is no dearer to buy so why not?
Luckily, we have teh internetz:
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/gsg/road- ... O&tmp=_CAR
Bear in mind that Veloce is roughly equivalent to 105 and go from there.
Campag stuff is much better looking than Shimano. Also, I've heard that Sram Red derailleurs are under-engineered to the point that professional racing teams use Force units instead.
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Postby drubie » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:01 pm
Respectfully Nobody - you aren't their target market. There's plenty of good things to be said for functional bikes, I have a couple myself, but when I want that level of escape that only cycling provides, I don't want to be jarred out of it with some hideous monstrosity like the whole brake lever moving sideways to change gears. Shimanos mountain groups are far more elegant than any of their road stuff but Shimano just don't get it. The closest was probably Suntour, and their adventures into cheap manufacturing trying to match Shimano busted them. Campagnolo hopefully won't make that mistake.Nobody wrote:I have the view that all bikes are just a collection of parts. That is why my bikes don't look pretty, but fit and work well IMO for the modest price.The 2nd Womble wrote:It's not the speed. It's the history, beauty, the emotion, pride, the engineering, and as said, Campy has soul. The others are just collections of stuff. Who has influenced what we all ride today more than these guys?
A Colnago without Campy is just another bike
SRAM on the other hand...big threat I reckon on the high end / boutique stuff that is the Campagnolo bread and butter.
As for the broken seatpost above... well, I didn't say it was indestructible. For every busted Campagnolo seatpost I'll bet there are literally hundreds of broken Kalloy/FSA/Reynolds ones.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Postby ldrcycles » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:13 pm
*stares at website with a mix of shock and outrage.rkelsen wrote:Campagnolo is much dearer if you buy it in an Australian LBS.ldrcycles wrote:HUH!?Daccordi Rider wrote: it is no dearer to buy so why not?
Luckily, we have teh internetz:
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/gsg/road- ... O&tmp=_CAR
Bear in mind that Veloce is roughly equivalent to 105 and go from there.
Campag stuff is much better looking than Shimano. Also, I've heard that Sram Red derailleurs are under-engineered to the point that professional racing teams use Force units instead.
And for those who are under any misconception that Campagnolo has always been good, http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Cam ... lleur.html.
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Postby Nobody » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:14 pm
Fair enough.drubie wrote:Respectfully Nobody - you aren't their target market. There's plenty of good things to be said for functional bikes, I have a couple myself, but when I want that level of escape that only cycling provides, I don't want to be jarred out of it with some hideous monstrosity like the whole brake lever moving sideways to change gears. Shimanos mountain groups are far more elegant than any of their road stuff but Shimano just don't get it. The closest was probably Suntour, and their adventures into cheap manufacturing trying to match Shimano busted them. Campagnolo hopefully won't make that mistake.Nobody wrote:I have the view that all bikes are just a collection of parts. That is why my bikes don't look pretty, but fit and work well IMO for the modest price.The 2nd Womble wrote:It's not the speed. It's the history, beauty, the emotion, pride, the engineering, and as said, Campy has soul. The others are just collections of stuff. Who has influenced what we all ride today more than these guys?
A Colnago without Campy is just another bike
SRAM on the other hand...big threat I reckon on the high end / boutique stuff that is the Campagnolo bread and butter.
As for the broken seatpost above... well, I didn't say it was indestructible. For every busted Campagnolo seatpost I'll bet there are literally hundreds of broken Kalloy/FSA/Reynolds ones.
I'm like this with Brooks saddles. Just ordered my third and can already see myself buying a fourth.drubie wrote:Article is good, title is incredibly misleading.
Campagnolo - anyone who has held even the worst ergo shifter in Campagnolos range vs. the best Shimano one knows why Campagnolo will survive. It has nothing to do with price. I'll always pay a premium for Campagnolo parts and I might occasionally whinge about it, I always forget about 20 seconds after I receive those beautiful black boxes.
I like to try lots of different stuff, so when I'm older I might get around to trying Campagnolo.
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Postby drubie » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:34 pm
Ha ha - thinking about a Brooks for my old (suntour equipped) EuropaNobody wrote:I'm like this with Brooks saddles. Just ordered my third and can already see myself buying a fourth.
I like to try lots of different stuff, so when I'm older I might get around to trying Campagnolo.
Had an interesting night a few weeks back, my brother-in-law dropped off a complete Ultegra 10 speed group (the older one with the antenna for gear cables) and we played with the parts comparing them to a bunch of Campagnolo gear I had in my shed - he now rides SRAM but you could see that even a lowly Centaur ergo was a source of fascination. We both decided the Ultegra was getting donated to somebody else because it was pretty clear - if you have the luxury of choice of Centaur, you don't want Ultegra once you compare them side by side. Still saving for Super Record but it's gonna happen.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Postby Daccordi Rider » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:46 am
I think RKelsen answered this but my 2 cents worth. I just used PBK and we can debate relative merits etc but a rough guide.ldrcycles wrote:Daccordi Rider wrote: it is no dearer to buy so why not?
HUH!?
105 $1177 - Campag equivalent Veloce $704 or Athena 11sp $1071 for Alloy, $1253 for carbon
Ultegra $1423 - Centaur $878 Alloy or $1060 Carbon
Durace $2103 - Chorus 11sp $1629, Record 11sp $1951
On Evans Durace $1609 and Super Record $1915
So actually Campag is at least the same price if not cheaper.
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Postby CommuRider » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:04 am
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/publish.a ... ion&page=1
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Re: Bicycling Mag article: Can Campagnolo Survive?
Postby biker jk » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:58 pm
Nice try but 105 can be purchased online from o/s for $541, Ultegra for $677 and Dura Ace for $1465. Campag is a a LOT more expensive.Daccordi Rider wrote:I think RKelsen answered this but my 2 cents worth. I just used PBK and we can debate relative merits etc but a rough guide.ldrcycles wrote:Daccordi Rider wrote: it is no dearer to buy so why not?
HUH!?
105 $1177 - Campag equivalent Veloce $704 or Athena 11sp $1071 for Alloy, $1253 for carbon
Ultegra $1423 - Centaur $878 Alloy or $1060 Carbon
Durace $2103 - Chorus 11sp $1629, Record 11sp $1951
On Evans Durace $1609 and Super Record $1915
So actually Campag is at least the same price if not cheaper.
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