Retro Handlebars And Ergolevers?

[humanbeing]

I'm currently searching for new or NOS bars for my lugged steel Besovski. Cinelli have reproduced the Giro D'italia 64 bars.
Have anyone had any issues with the geometry of retro handlebars and ergolevers or sti levers? Research on the net has shown there could be problems with positioning the levers properly because of the bigger radius of the curve of the bar.
What do you think? Any recommendations for handlebars, I insist on keeping a quill stem.
Thanks for your time.
Peter

[drubie]

The old 8 speed campagnolo ergo is fairly closely shaped to eighties aero levers, fatter rather than longer, so should present no fit issues. You can run the brake cables non aero too if you like that looped cable look.

The later you go the more modern they look but they are all pretty similar in shape to plain brake levers until you get to the bent/gumby ones.

[humanbeing]

The later you go the more modern they look but they are all pretty similar in shape to plain brake levers until you get to the bent/gumby ones.

2010 Athena so I guess they count as "bent/gumby", super compfy though.

[koen]

I remember the first 10speed ergos I got had a picture with big red cross saying not to use on older shaped bars but the new style ones I have bought recently don't say anything.

[drubie]

The later you go the more modern they look but they are all pretty similar in shape to plain brake levers until you get to the bent/gumby ones.

2010 Athena so I guess they count as "bent/gumby", super compfy though.

Comfy? Should try some of the new shape ones I suppose.

I had a bit of a look in my shed at the older style bars (I have some 3ttt vintage 1970s bars on a fixed gear bike) and I don't think the newer lever would present any problems, although there will be a distinct dip if the brake levers are still reachable from the drops:



A bit hard to see from that picture, but the rounded arc around to where the drops form (as distinct from the much squarer modern bars) mean a steeper run down to the drops.

If your bars are like that, likely you will have some trouble getting comfortable but it would look pretty Dali-esque and therefore cool.

edit: ah, pictures of the cinelli giro d'italia seem to indicate it's slightly squarer but also slightly steeper, so as long as you don't mind the bars not being completely horizontal at the bottom they'll work.

[Velo13]

Just ride it with Ergos. That's what we all did in 1992 ....

[familyguy]

The Giro d'Italia bars are real short reach. My 2005 Veloce QS levers sit very oddly on them. I'm yet to actually mount and ride them, but I'll probably go with the Modolo Anatomics instead.

Jim

[LoveMiyata]

I use 1st gen ergos on my giro's and it seems to fit fine, I have also used my 2004 centaur ergos on the same bars and again quite cumfy so I don't see any problems. In saying that I have not tried the most recent version of the ergo's so who knows. I do believe that the Del Mondo's have a deeper drop so I'd say they'd be even better but the criteriums definitely won't work unless you don't mind your levers sticking out to the sides. Thats just my opinion from my experience....

[brentono]

Track Bars. Brakes?


Cheers

[humanbeing]

I think I might have found my solution NOS Cinelli "Touch" handlebars with anatomic bends.



They tick all my boxes

[koen]

I've got a couple of them and not managed to keep the little Cinelli stickers though. They rub off pretty easy so keep an eye on 'em.

[familyguy]

I think I might have found my solution NOS Cinelli "Touch" handlebars with anatomic bends.



They tick all my boxes

Exactly what I've just put on the Gazelle, with a 110mm 1A stem. They seem to be a nice shape.

Jim

[LoveMiyata]

Ive got a set of those I'm trying to sell at the moment. Only chasing a 10er. Only problem is they lost one of the cinelli stickers. Let me know if you are interested, I'm in Woolloomooloo

[toff]

Track Bars. Brakes?


Cheers

Those bars are the "Gimondi Bend" which 3TTT used on several of their models, including their track bars, and their Competizione bars. They are essentially the same shape as the Cinelli Criterium bars, but with about a cm of extra drop. I use either Gimondi bend or Criterium bars on all my bikes. The only problem you get is that the bottom of the brake levers jut out to the side a bit, as a result of the bar's curve, so it is possible to scrape the bottom of the lever when leaning your bike against a wall. Otherwise, they work better for me than any modern ergonomic bars.

[brentono]

Track Bars. Brakes?


Cheers

Those bars are the "Gimondi Bend" which 3TTT used on several of their models, including their track bars, and their Competizione bars. They are essentially the same shape as the Cinelli Criterium bars, but with about a cm of extra drop. I use either Gimondi bend or Criterium bars on all my bikes. The only problem you get is that the bottom of the brake levers jut out to the side a bit, as a result of the bar's curve, so it is possible to scrape the bottom of the lever when leaning your bike against a wall. Otherwise, they work better for me than any modern ergonomic bars.

If the shoe fits, wear it.



Personally, might work for a ride down to the cafe, looks nice and would impress.
But I wouldn't want to be on a 160Km training run/or race in that position
(though i've not done it in years)
... but you would sure end up with a sore back and neck, I have no doubt.

[humanbeing]

Ive got a set of those I'm trying to sell at the moment. Only chasing a 10er. Only problem is they lost one of the cinelli stickers. Let me know if you are interested, I'm in Woolloomooloo

PM'd Cheers

[munga]

Track Bars. Brakes?


Cheers

Those bars are the "Gimondi Bend" which 3TTT used on several of their models, including their track bars, and their Competizione bars. They are essentially the same shape as the Cinelli Criterium bars, but with about a cm of extra drop. I use either Gimondi bend or Criterium bars on all my bikes. The only problem you get is that the bottom of the brake levers jut out to the side a bit, as a result of the bar's curve, so it is possible to scrape the bottom of the lever when leaning your bike against a wall. Otherwise, they work better for me than any modern ergonomic bars.

If the shoe fits, wear it.



Personally, might work for a ride down to the cafe, looks nice and would impress.
But I wouldn't want to be on a 160Km training run/or race in that position
(though i've not done it in years)
... but you would sure end up with a sore back and neck, I have no doubt.

maybe toff does ride to the cafe, look nice and impress people.
maybe he does 160km training rides.

really mate, just coz you were an elite cyclist 30 years ago doesn't make everyone else wrong. it just makes you a grouchy old know-it-all in my book.

[brentono]

Hey Munga
I may be a Retrogrouch, but did you ever stop to think that toff seems to
have to point out stuff, for what? and he may be telling me how to suck eggs.
It states on the image details, what they are-
vintage-handlebar-3ttt-gimondi-40-track-pista-profil-260mm
(save it for the school yard, and impress the other kids)
My first post was light, about Track bars/Brakes and didn't need a lecture.
Thanks. And my informative, about long rides, about that setup, was just that.
Don't know where toff was in the seventies, but here's my criterium bike
(full campag group)
... maybe he can identify the bars on the white bike on the right?
(part of the photo is cut off, so put it on your HD)
... and Munga, "in your book"... is that the book that hadn't even started
when this photo was taken.
Cheers

[HappyHumber]

C'mon guys....

[LoveMiyata]

[drubie]

This thread inspired me to try it - not with ergos but 3ttt competizione and some late Mirage aero levers:
(already posted in the fixie part of the site but what the hell)


They're fine - work quite well in fact.

[brentono]

Drubie
Looks good, and we know it works... great for short runs to the shop.
(and criteriums, if that's your bag)
Please report back if you get out for a long run, and we will see how you go.
My informative, was from experience, and the pain was real (over 80km it kills)
Let us all know.
Cheers

[drubie]

Brentono - the frame is a total klunker (stamped dropouts, no water bottle, weighs 2x normal bike weight) and is just for blasting to work and back - there is no way I'm riding it 80km in a single sitting

[brentono]

Brentono - the frame is a total klunker (stamped dropouts, no water bottle, weighs 2x normal bike weight) and is just for blasting to work and back - there is no way I'm riding it 80km in a single sitting

Good luck commuting with that. Should be OK.
Back in the day, wouldn't even bother to throw the leg over, out on the road, under 80Km.
50 miles old money.
And a tough session, was working towards the imperial ton... no water bottle, either.
(on a bike much like you have there, except for the wheels- we had singles)

[rokwiz]

Hi,
I've been reading back through some of the threads and found this interesting one.
Yeh my "Super V" has Cinelli Giro bars (44's) and Sachs Ergopower levers which I've been using since 1995 when I bought this bike new. It has done well over 65 000km now. I found the normal round bars to be the most comfortable. This bike has done many long km offroad MTB, offroad touring with a trailer, on road commuting (read carrying masons tools) and various MTB races and road Time Trials. ( I really liked the race of truth)
The only thing I didn't like was the way you normally set the ends of the brake levels end level with the ground and end tips of the bars, as usually shown in bike mech books on set up. I've noticed euro pro riders tend to have their levels set rather high on the bars as well. yeh 200km plus a day, they need to.
My bar consists of MTB tube cut into strips, then wrapped like bar tape, followed by two layers of bar tape (Cinelli at present)combined with dual suspension gives me a plush ride.
Geoff