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Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:30 am
by elStado
Oxford wrote:I know the subject is serious, but its hard not to laugh at the gaping double standards.
+1

I thought the exact same thing. The comments are, as per usual, ridiculous and extremely hypocritical!

Anyone would think that cyclists are to blame for all the ills of the world, and that poor motorists are innocent for every action and have never harmed a soul judging by what some have said.. :roll:

BS

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:18 am
by blkmcs
rambler1au wrote:you know I get the distinct feeling that some posters on this site are a bunch of self righteous sanctimonious twits who probably work as government clerks and follow every rule religiously lest you don't get the next ass kissing promotion.

I bet you and complain to the council about the neighbors rooster in the morning and have lived with your mothers until you were 40 and probably still wear the sweater she knitted for you for your 21st birthday

Rules are not there for the sake of the rule they are there for safety so lets get back to the safety thing how many people were killed by cyclists last year.... yes that's right NONE how many people were killed by cars, LOTS so the winner of the prize are CARS

Just like the odd shark attack happens and people advocate the mass killing of sharks, so is this lemming mentality that all rules must be followed to the letter because they are there in the road code or GOD will smite you and or the cops will send you to Casuarina until you have repented.

I'm going to tell you this that yes I go trough a red lights on my bike ( if no one is coming) , and I do go the wrong way up a one way street,I also ignore no entry signs and park my bike in a no parking zone and OMGosh I even may even sometimes ride two a breast on a cycle path.

If I a bad person well I'm sorry Ill bet I'm not the only one amongst you that does that and I have never been picked up and if I do, I'm going to whinge about it like hell.

What ever happened to using your common sense whilst riding and being observant of the situation you are in whilst on a bike or is there no room for that in the government gazette rule book.
Well thanks for putting the world to rights.
I have never been picked up and if I do, I'm going to whinge about it like hell
That sounds more than a little self righteous, do the crime do the time.
Whatever happened to taking responsibility for ones actions?

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:52 am
by ColinOldnCranky
KonaCommuter wrote:Are radar guns accurate when used on a cyclist?


A cars shape is rigid. A cyclist moves. What if the first reading is off the cyclists body and the second reading off their arm?
Just asking
By the same token, a car traveling at 60kph will have the top of the wheel traveling at 120kph. Now if the cops worked out how to get the reading off the top of the tyre then THAT would be a nice little earner for consolidated revenue!

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:57 am
by Thoglette
rambler1au wrote: I'm going to tell you this that yes I go trough a red lights on my bike ( if no one is coming) , and I do go the wrong way up a one way street,I also ignore no entry signs and park my bike in a no parking zone and OMGosh I even may even sometimes ride two a breast on a cycle path.

If I a bad person well I'm sorry Ill bet I'm not the only one amongst you that does that and I have never been picked up and if I do, I'm going to whinge about it like hell.

What ever happened to using your common sense whilst riding and being observant of the situation you are in whilst on a bike or is there no room for that in the government gazette rule book.
Sorry, 56 in a school zone is not "common sense". (And yes, I have down hill school zones on my commute)

I'm really struggling to think of a situation where riding the wrong way on a one way street is common sense. Mostly it's action of a self centered idiot.

Stop handing them the stick

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:25 am
by silentbutdeadly
rambler1au wrote: What ever happened to using your common sense whilst riding and being observant of the situation you are in whilst on a bike...
The problem with common sense is that it isn't that common. And to assume that it works in isolation from the world around the percieved user is....unrealistic.

So the bureaucrats had to record certain interpretations of common sense in a Book of Rules which (as common sense dictates) gets wildly misinterpreted by all and sundry. Now that's 'Common Sense'

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:51 pm
by ColinOldnCranky
rambler1au wrote:you know I get the distinct feeling that some posters on this site are a bunch of self righteous sanctimonious twits who probably work as government clerks and follow every rule religiously lest you don't get the next ass kissing promotion.

I bet you and complain to the council about the neighbors rooster in the morning and have lived with your mothers until you were 40 and probably still wear the sweater she knitted for you for your 21st birthday

Rules are not there for the sake of the rule they are there for safety so lets get back to the safety thing how many people were killed by cyclists last year.... yes that's right NONE how many people were killed by cars, LOTS so the winner of the prize are CARS

Just like the odd shark attack happens and people advocate the mass killing of sharks, so is this lemming mentality that all rules must be followed to the letter because they are there in the road code or GOD will smite you and or the cops will send you to Casuarina until you have repented.

I'm going to tell you this that yes I go trough a red lights on my bike ( if no one is coming) , and I do go the wrong way up a one way street,I also ignore no entry signs and park my bike in a no parking zone and OMGosh I even may even sometimes ride two a breast on a cycle path.

If I a bad person well I'm sorry Ill bet I'm not the only one amongst you that does that and I have never been picked up and if I do, I'm going to whinge about it like hell.

What ever happened to using your common sense whilst riding and being observant of the situation you are in whilst on a bike or is there no room for that in the government gazette rule book.
Hmmm. I can't find much in this rant that I can agree. And much with which I can't. I suppose that puts me in the class of whingers with little common sense. Oh well, I'll cope with that. Ho hum.

Nice to see sharks, highly relevant to the discussion, being introduced too. Is it time that we broadened the scope of Godwin's Law?

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:11 pm
by Mrfenejeans
ColinOldnCranky wrote: Hmmm. I can't find much in this rant that I can agree. And much with which I can't. I suppose that puts me in the class of whingers with little common sense. Oh well, I'll cope with that. Ho hum.

Nice to see sharks, highly relevant to the discussion, being introduced too. Is it time that we broadened the scope of Godwin's Law?
Image

No relevance??

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:33 pm
by rambler1au
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Since were talking about Godwins law The Nazis were great on laws every time someone stepped out of line a new law was instigated.

I think they were also trying to protect young Germans from the terrible Jews for their own good.

I think Safety was their main rationale for instigating anti jewish legislation

PS Love the shark bit.

OOPS mentioned Nazis That means this is my last post on this subject

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:47 pm
by waramatt
Rambler

Now you're just being silly....but it made me laugh all the same :wink:

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:11 pm
by fixed
I'd like this thread locked now please.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:18 pm
by citywomble
Rambler1au said:
Just like the odd shark attack happens and people advocate the mass killing of sharks, so is this lemming mentality that all rules must be followed to the letter because they are there in the road code or GOD will smite you and or the cops will send you to Casuarina until you have repented
I am confused. Are you suggesting that we should kill cyclists OR do you only have the intelligence of a shark? Please advise.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:48 pm
by Mulger bill
Aaaand if we can't find our way back on topic very very soon, fixed may well get his wish.

Your call, ladies and gentlemen.

Shaun

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:57 pm
by rambler1au
my point was City just as one shark attack brings out the mentality that killing all sharks is a "solution" to a problem irrespective of other consequences so does one accident bring about a plethora of useless laws which do nothing but ameliorate the concience of a bunch of lemming bureaucrats, who see more laws piled on top of each other to be a "solution" to the problem.
Pretty soon virtually everything becomes illegal, thats why we in this state are one of the most over legislated states in South East Asia and Id throw some of Europe in there as well.


I thought that you would understand the metaphor even if its a bit mixed but clearly I was mistaken.

PS thanks waramat - this discussion should be in an unaccusatorial vein but clearly some ops cant handle it.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:55 am
by Thoglette
Thoglette wrote:
rambler1au wrote: What ever happened to using your common sense whilst riding and being observant of the situation you are in whilst on a bike or is there no room for that in the government gazette rule book.
Sorry, 56 in a school zone is not "common sense". (And yes, I have down hill school zones on my commute)

I'm really struggling to think of a situation where riding the wrong way on a one way street is common sense. Mostly it's action of a self centered idiot.

Stop handing them the stick
Trying to keep this on topic - if you don't like what's on the Govt Gazette write to your politician. Write to your paper. And harass your local radio jock. Rant at your neighbours. Badger people at BBQs.

I'm currently working on a) riding on footpaths for the over twelves and b) rail line to the airport.

Do politics before politics does you.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:44 am
by roller
Thoglette wrote:I'm currently working on a) riding on footpaths for the over twelves and b) rail line to the airport.
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i'd sign those petitions.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:02 am
by ColinOldnCranky
Lizzy wrote:Gah, brilliant, now PerthNow has a poll up asking whether cyclists "should" be subject to the same laws as motorists :roll: :roll:

Cripes, how is that something to agree or disagree with, surely it's something to look up?! I think I would pay someone actual money to write me a blocker for the comments section of that excuse for a news source.

[head>>>desk]
Point well put.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:13 am
by ColinOldnCranky
Baalzamon wrote:And if cyclist is on drops and then moves off the drops, that will change the speed as well as they have mostly hit the helmet then hitting the chest.. That is why a GPS is good. They fine you, you get home and check the speed and don't pay and take it to court with your proof.
With the proviso you can only trust the reading if you can also state (and back up) that your speed was consistent over a respectable interval either side of the radar reading. Unless you have one that logs point-to-point time and position I can't see how you can satisfactorily demosnstrate that to the court any more satisfactorily than giving your word. You could just as strongly give your word that you were not speeding in the first place.

I occasionally enter the Polly Pipe (Polly Farmers tunell) at a slightly slower speed than I intend driving it, speed up to my intended speed and then see what supersonic speed the GPS is gonna report as I exit 1.7km later. :D

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:36 am
by ColinOldnCranky
trailgumby wrote:This is purely apocryphal, but I did hear once upon a time that in Italy the fine was proprortional to the value of your car. However, given that fines used to be settled in cash directly with the policeman at the time of infringement, this may not have been - ahem - official policy. ;)

Maybe something like that could operate here :mrgreen:
I am not sure if there is just a touch of seriousness to your proposal. But I think it merits some discussion so I've started a thread at http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewt ... 47#p764947

I trust that you do not object to me crediting your eminent intellect in the thread title. :D

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:14 pm
by Baalzamon
ColinOldnCranky wrote:
Baalzamon wrote:And if cyclist is on drops and then moves off the drops, that will change the speed as well as they have mostly hit the helmet then hitting the chest.. That is why a GPS is good. They fine you, you get home and check the speed and don't pay and take it to court with your proof.
With the proviso you can only trust the reading if you can also state (and back up) that your speed was consistent over a respectable interval either side of the radar reading. Unless you have one that logs point-to-point time and position I can't see how you can satisfactorily demosnstrate that to the court any more satisfactorily than giving your word. You could just as strongly give your word that you were not speeding in the first place.
I'm talking about bike specific gps in that you can download and analyse data. btw bike gps can record 1second intervals.

Re: Cyclist nabbed for speeding in school zone

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:35 pm
by Stuey
Saw this thread a bit late. I've been pulled for speeding on my Giant Cadex, in Freo, about 20 years ago. There were roadworks and 40km/h signs with one lane closed on a dual carriageway, coned off but with no works in progress at the time. I didn't want to get caught in the single lane holding up traffic, so I went through the remaining lane as fast as I could (on a slight downhill). I was flagged down, but the cop let me off with a warning after a stern talking to (and with a semi smirk on his face). I never asked what speed I was doing, from memory he said I was 'going a bit fast there', but I was too busy doing a Leo W@nker impersonation... :mrgreen: